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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3416 on: Today at 11:20:03 AM »
I don't think the Romans did calculations like modern civil engineers.  They didn't have materials with known tension, compression, torsion, and tensile values like steel girders.  They were forced to work with local stone, mortar, bricks.  They guesstimated from great experience how to support large structures like some of the aqueducts still around. 
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« Reply #3417 on: Today at 11:36:58 AM »
I don't think the Romans did calculations like modern civil engineers.  They didn't have materials with known tension, compression, torsion, and tensile values like steel girders.  They were forced to work with local stone, mortar, bricks.  They guesstimated from great experience how to support large structures like some of the aqueducts still around.
Yeah, and I think there was much more emphasis on experience and methods than calculation in a lot of things in those times. Over time they'd learned "if you do it THIS way, the building doesn't fall down, and if you do it THAT way, the building falls down", so they handed down over generations doing it THIS way is the right way. 

I think a lot of things back then were very method/process dependent. I think back to brewing beer, which has been done for 5,000 years and possibly as many as 10,000. How do you brew beer when you don't even know what yeast is? Well, you don't need to know what yeast is if you know "what works" and "what doesn't work". If you merely repeat a process that is known to work over and over, you can get moderately consistent results. And the process is handed down generation to generation. 

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« Reply #3418 on: Today at 11:43:17 AM »
There are earlier pyramids which clearly were failing so they changed the design/slope.  Early engineering was trial and error, not calculus.  I've read that Hoover Dam was over engineered by a large margin because they did not know for sure.


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« Reply #3419 on: Today at 11:45:31 AM »
much of today's engineering is over engineered by a large margin because

except for bridge pier protection apparently 
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« Reply #3420 on: Today at 11:55:07 AM »
I suspect bridge piers will get a lot of funding.

On a somewhat related note, I see these fancy "lifts" at pools now on the occasion that a wheel chair bound individual wants to swim.

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« Reply #3421 on: Today at 12:00:32 PM »
I suspect bridge piers will get a lot of funding.

On a somewhat related note, I see these fancy "lifts" at pools now on the occasion that a wheel chair bound individual wants to swim.
ADA mandate.  The alternative is a zero-depth entry.  Zero depth entry is simpler and has less maintenance but it is nearly impossible to retrofit onto an existing pool.  

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« Reply #3422 on: Today at 12:03:20 PM »
There are earlier pyramids which clearly were failing so they changed the design/slope.  Early engineering was trial and error, not calculus.  I've read that Hoover Dam was over engineered by a large margin because they did not know for sure.


A factor of safety of 5 or more is what I learned on my tour of that. The construction details were mind-blowing. All of that concrete - they had to put water pipes inside the forms because concrete gets extremely hot while curing. Pretty amazing stuff there.

What the ancient contractors lacked most, in my opinion, was the ability to do good subsurface observation. There was no such thing as geotechnical engineering in those days.
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