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Topic: In other news (apolitical thread)...

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ELA

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #785 on: March 31, 2025, 10:02:27 AM »
Hell, one of the doctors at my wife's practice has a daughter that she schleps all around the country for travel cheerleading competitions. 

And it's def. a cult. If you dare miss a practice... Even if you're sick with a doctor's note, you get charged by the program. 

But... What I don't get with it is... What's the end goal? Travel sports you at least have the delusional hope to eventually get a full ride college scholarship and end up in the pros where you can make life-changing money. Cheer? Maybe you'll get a pittance from the school for a cheerleading scholarship, but you're not "going pro" at any point in the future. Unless it's on OF. 

I wanted my son to get on the HS golf team because a sport looks good on a college application. And then I want him to get a good education that sets him up for a high-paying job so that golf can be a fun hobby on the weekends. Neither of us are trying to get him to the PGA Tour. 

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #786 on: March 31, 2025, 10:07:10 AM »
My son's first club baseball tournament is next week.  I checked on the host program's site, to see if there was a schedule yet.  There was not, but that organization was "proud" to announce they now have a 3U and 4U team now.

In case you want to spend thousands of dollars for travel t-ball.

What are we doing here?

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 3U/4U team?

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #787 on: March 31, 2025, 10:13:39 AM »
Hell, one of the doctors at my wife's practice has a daughter that she schleps all around the country for travel cheerleading competitions.

And it's def. a cult. If you dare miss a practice... Even if you're sick with a doctor's note, you get charged by the program.

But... What I don't get with it is... What's the end goal? Travel sports you at least have the delusional hope to eventually get a full ride college scholarship and end up in the pros where you can make life-changing money. Cheer? Maybe you'll get a pittance from the school for a cheerleading scholarship, but you're not "going pro" at any point in the future. Unless it's on OF.

I wanted my son to get on the HS golf team because a sport looks good on a college application. And then I want him to get a good education that sets him up for a high-paying job so that golf can be a fun hobby on the weekends. Neither of us are trying to get him to the PGA Tour.
I think people just need something to do and be a part of something.  Even if it's just a giant waste of time.  It's a social thing bundled with athletics, bundled with social status.  Even if there are scholarships available for all the other sports out there, only very few will get them and they still go all in.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #788 on: March 31, 2025, 10:25:26 AM »
I think people just need something to do and be a part of something.  Even if it's just a giant waste of time.  It's a social thing bundled with athletics, bundled with social status.  Even if there are scholarships available for all the other sports out there, only very few will get them and they still go all in. 
Hmm. Being an introverted misanthrope is certainly a lot cheaper than that. 

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #789 on: March 31, 2025, 10:27:39 AM »
Hmm. Being an introverted misanthrope is certainly a lot cheaper than that.

Amen brutha.

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #790 on: March 31, 2025, 11:35:10 AM »
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 3U/4U team?
Travel baseball for 3 and 4 year olds

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #791 on: March 31, 2025, 11:39:30 AM »
Holy cow. 

I loved sports when I was a kid and belonged to some rec leagues over the years, but I don't think I started T-ball until I was 6 or 7.  I don't know how they would've kept me from standing around with my finger up my nose digging for boogers when I was 3, let alone had me traveling.  

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« Reply #792 on: March 31, 2025, 11:48:50 AM »
Holy cow. 

I loved sports when I was a kid and belonged to some rec leagues over the years, but I don't think I started T-ball until I was 6 or 7.  I don't know how they would've kept me from standing around with my finger up my nose digging for boogers when I was 3, let alone had me traveling. 
Yeah, and one of the things that a coworker had told me when my eldest started playing youth sports (tee ball, soccer, etc around ages 5-7) was that the only difference between the kids that seemed like they were "good" and the kids that didn't have a clue wasn't talent. It wasn't natural athleticism. It wasn't a predictor of future performance. 

All it meant is that those kids had older brothers, so they were more exposed to sports before they started at the bottom rung than those who didn't have older brothers. 

Give it a few years from then, and it evens out to where talent/athleticism starts to become the differentiator. Because what you did before you were 5 years old doesn't matter. 

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #793 on: March 31, 2025, 12:31:43 PM »
Yeah, and one of the things that a coworker had told me when my eldest started playing youth sports (tee ball, soccer, etc around ages 5-7) was that the only difference between the kids that seemed like they were "good" and the kids that didn't have a clue wasn't talent. It wasn't natural athleticism. It wasn't a predictor of future performance.

All it meant is that those kids had older brothers, so they were more exposed to sports before they started at the bottom rung than those who didn't have older brothers.

Give it a few years from then, and it evens out to where talent/athleticism starts to become the differentiator. Because what you did before you were 5 years old doesn't matter.
A little story to buttress this point:
My oldest (just turned 6) just finished his second year of Rec BB.  These teams "play" on Saturdays in March.  The schedule consists of half an hour of practice then a roughly half hour game.  

Given their limited skills the refs are extremely lenient so things like Travelling, Double Dribble, etc are basically not called.  However, I really screwed up not getting him prepared for year one because it was my first experience with it so I (wrongly) thought that you just dropped your 4/5 year old off cold and they'd work out the rest.  

The first year he played, I hadn't even worked on dribbling with him before we showed up.  Mostly this was because it starts in March and I don't have an attached indoor basketball court and it is generally cold and snowy in Ohio in February.  Anyway, I felt bad because my son was woefully unprepared compared to the other boys.  The first thing they did in practice was dribble up and down the court and my son was the only one who basically looked at the coach like 'what is dribble?'.  

Year #2 was MUCH better.  My son is pretty tall for his age so he was good at rebounding and made a few baskets over the course of the season.  

That is just one example of where having an older brother would help immensely.  If his younger sisters or brother want to play, I will KNOW what I need to teach them in advance so they'll show up ready to go.  

Another example from that experience that is kinda funny:
With almost all of these teams, they usually have one kid who can do it and the others basically are unnecessary to the team.  Seriously, the other three on the court (this is 4-on-4) basically just get in the way of the one who more-or-less knows what he is doing.  

Last year we had one kid on our team who was small for his age so he looked tiny on the court but he could dribble and shoot and he was BY FAR our best player.  Most weeks he showed up with only one parent and no siblings so I didn't know why (in retrospect the other parent was probably busy with the older brothers).  Anyway, the last week of the season he showed up with both parents and . . . three older brothers.  That was an "Ah-ha" moment in which I immediately realized why he was so much better than the rest of the kids on the team.  He had been playing basketball against his not one, not two, but three older brothers since he could walk so he was WAY better at it than the oldest kids like my son.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #794 on: March 31, 2025, 03:01:21 PM »
Related to the older sibling thing, I once read something that I found interesting.  Unfortunately, I can't find the source right now but from my recollection the story was that there is a pretty strong correlation between being born in September or October and being a MLB Baseball Player but, there is almost zero correlation regarding birth month for HOF MLB Players.  

The theory as to why:
The Little League cutoff date is August 31 so:
Suppose you and I grew up together and we were both good baseball players.  Now further suppose that you were born on September 1 but I was born two days earlier, on August 30.  Even though we are almost exactly the same age, at every level of Little League, you'll be the oldest guy on your team and I'll be the youngest guy on my team.  Consequently, even if we are EXACTLY equal as baseball players, you will be MUCH better relative to your team than I am relative to my team because the other guys on my team are all older than us while the other guys on your team are all younger than us.  

If we both have natural talent at the borderline MLB level (which is a VERY high level of talent), you are MUCH more likely to make the MLB than I am because you will be the best player on your team at every level.  My exact same talent, however, may well get missed because the other boys that I play with are older so my VERY high level of talent is at least partially offset by the fact that the boys I play with and against are up to a year older than us while your VERY high level of talent will be accentuated by the fact that the boys you play with and against are up to a year younger than us.  

When you move up to guys SO good that they will wind up in Cooperstown the birthdate thing doesn't matter anymore.  They'll still stand out even if they are born in late August and spend their Little League years playing against guys up to a year older.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #795 on: March 31, 2025, 03:30:16 PM »
Malcolm Gladwell outlined something very similar to that in his book "Outliers," though I'm not sure that's what you're thinking of or not.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #796 on: March 31, 2025, 03:37:49 PM »
Last spring, my wife and I stayed at a hotel adjacent to the Anaheim Convention Center. While we were there to go to Disney, the convention center/arena was hosting an "all-star" cheer super/mega national. 

Competitive cheer has turned into what beauty pageants were in the 80s and 90s. Heavily oversexualized kids with a pound of makeup on their face and enough hairspray to make Dee Snyder vomit with envy, and all the parents were shitfaced drunk. It was disgusting.

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« Reply #797 on: March 31, 2025, 03:40:52 PM »
Last spring, my wife and I stayed at a hotel adjacent to the Anaheim Convention Center. While we were there to go to Disney, the convention center/arena was hosting an "all-star" cheer super/mega national.

Competitive cheer has turned into what beauty pageants were in the 80s and 90s. Heavily oversexualized kids with a pound of makeup on their face and enough hairspray to make Dee Snyder vomit with envy, and all the parents were shitfaced drunk. It was disgusting.
What could go wrong?  

 

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