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Topic: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #210 on: August 09, 2023, 10:10:04 AM »
Folks can drop a few sports if they have to do so if travel is that onerous.  I do think for sports that play a lot of "matches" it will be tough on the athletes.

They will like it at first ...

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #211 on: August 09, 2023, 10:12:15 AM »
Title IX gives them the right to the $$$

they have the right to refuse the $$$ because of their glistening principles 
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #212 on: August 09, 2023, 10:27:08 AM »
Title IX gives them the right to the $$$

they have the right to refuse the $$$ because of their glistening principles
This is such a silly argument.  

These athletes were recruited into an environment that was much different, and much better for them, than the one they're about to shift into.  They have a right to complain, and I agree with them, because the "new normal" for conference make-ups is simply dumb as shit.  

Defending stuff that's dumb as shit, is dumb as shit.

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #213 on: August 09, 2023, 10:45:07 AM »
Maybe I'll invest in Delta and AA.

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #214 on: August 09, 2023, 11:22:13 AM »
This is such a silly argument. 

These athletes were recruited into an environment that was much different, and much better for them, than the one they're about to shift into.  They have a right to complain, and I agree with them, because the "new normal" for conference make-ups is simply dumb as shit. 

Defending stuff that's dumb as shit, is dumb as shit.
I agree it's dumb as shit.  Not defending it.
Just reminding the folks from other sports that they had an environment that was much better because of football $$$
They didn't need the transfer portal.  They've been free to move around and find the best environment for themselves for years.

They are free to do so now.  SDSU or Cal or Frenso st would probably take them in.
It's inconvenient and not what they signed up for, but......... life's a bitch
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« Reply #215 on: August 09, 2023, 11:22:35 AM »


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« Reply #216 on: August 09, 2023, 11:23:49 AM »
I agree it's dumb as shit.  Not defending it.
Just reminding the folks from other sports that they had an environment that was much better because of football $$$
They didn't need the transfer portal.  They've been free to move around and find the best environment for themselves for years.

They are free to do so now.  SDSU or Cal or Frenso st would probably take them in.
It's inconvenient and not what they signed up for, but......... life's a bitch

Sure, true enough.  I guess I just have more sympathy for them, than others do.  The system's totally fucked up and I'm AOK with anyone who calls that out.

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #217 on: August 09, 2023, 11:28:16 AM »


This is the same thing I was getting at. Now I need a shower, for agreeing with Chip Kelly.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #218 on: August 09, 2023, 11:28:29 AM »
I'm guessing there are plenty of football players that feel the same way.

basketballers, coaches, athletic dept staff, alumni, boosters, casual fans

Hell, I don't like it.

Let's all call it out and bitch!
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« Reply #219 on: August 09, 2023, 11:30:35 AM »
Chip knows ed zachery why this doesn't happen.

Revenue sharing!

The SEC and the Big programs are getting more money and they don't want to share
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« Reply #220 on: August 09, 2023, 11:34:44 AM »
This is the same thing I was getting at. Now I need a shower, for agreeing with Chip Kelly.
Oh yeah, I think it makes sense... mostly.

I just don't think there's any real way to disentangle football from the other conference sports.  The conferences themselves certainly don't want to lose football.

So each individual school would have to break their current legal agreements and leave the conference for football-only, and then somehow keep all their other sports in that conference, except what conference would agree to losing the revenue-generating profit-center sport and keeping all of the cost centers?

So in reality you'd have to kill all of the existing conferences by breaking all legal agreements with them, re-form into some football-only league, and then create new conferences to harbor the non-revenue sports.  Of course, those new conferences with all of the non-revenue sports would still need to be paid for somehow, and the only way to pay for them is to use... football revenue.

So break up the current system where football funds all the non-revenue sports, to create a new system where football funds all the non-revenue sports.  

What could possibly go wrong??? :)

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #221 on: August 09, 2023, 12:16:24 PM »
Oregon athletics have been VERY good lately but that is largely because of the financial and other support of one VERY wealthy alum who happens to be 80+ years old.  Phil Knight isn't going to live forever and there is no guarantee that Oregon's athletics will continue to perform at their recent level without his backing. 

We we added a school from a fairly low-population state that has dubious long-term athletic prospects and terrible academics.  WTF? 

Phil Knight's age is a great point. Does Nike’s bankrolling stop after Uncle Phil's ashes are sifted over a Kaepernick jersey?

Guessing Knight leaves a sizeable portion of his estate to Oregon's athletic department?

Another point where Oregon is more than fortunate is with coaching hires given how often they leave:

-Chip Kelly 4 years; 46–7; 2009 - 12
-Mark Helfrich (fired) 4 years; 37–16; 2013 - 16
-Willie Taggart 1 year; 7-5; 2017
-Mario Cristobal 4 years; 35–13; 2018 - 21
-And Dan Lanning (10–3) is a goner once the first big Southern job calls

None remained beyond the graduation cycle of their first recruiting class yet despite those self-sustaining W/L trends, it's asking a lot to continue hiring as routinely well once Oregon takes on the B1G.

And beware, Duck (and Huskies) fans make for a thinned skinned, overmedicated, plant-based, neurodiverse, infantile, and insufferably whiny fanbase:



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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #222 on: August 09, 2023, 12:20:04 PM »
Terrible additions, especially Oregon.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #223 on: August 10, 2023, 09:33:26 AM »
B1G now has a wart on both ends. (Let's dump Oregon and Rutgers.) 

 

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