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If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« on: July 01, 2018, 10:27:27 AM »
Pick a player and hypotenuse.

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2018, 10:43:42 AM »
In Madison, there is one answer. His name is JJ Watt.

That 2011 team after he left had easily one of the top five offenses in the land. The defense was somewhere between 49-56th by advanced metrics (the standard stats were OK because they kinda smothered bad offenses). I dunno if Watt makes them top-10, top-25, but considering the two regular season losses were to MSU in a game with 37 points allowed and then gave up 33 to a team that could hardly throw outside one effing coverage bust, I'd bet UW wins at least one more, maybe both, and might well play for a title. 

Another one might be Jamar Fletcher in 2001. That team lost him and Michael Bennett. That year's offense was vaguely passable (and Bennett doesn't make Bollinger that much better than Anthony Davis did), the defense was not.

But Watt. Watt forever. 

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 10:54:09 AM »
There are schools that get to keep guys for four years? 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2018, 11:31:29 AM »
For Iowa, I think the Big what if is Shonn Greene.  

Greene won the Doak Walker award in 2008, rushing for 1800 yards.  The 2009 team ended up playing 2 freshman running backs on a team that went 11-2,  and won the Orange Bowl.  

Stil that 2009 team lost in OT at OSU with a freshman backup QB playing because the starting QB got hit the week before.

If Greene had stayed, Iowa might have gone undefeated and played for national championship, and Greene might have won the Heisman.

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 11:37:07 AM »
There are schools that get to keep guys for four years?
The non-football factories do, yes.  :73:
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2018, 11:38:41 AM »
In Madison, there is one answer. His name is JJ Watt.

 
No doubt about that. 2011 may have been unbeaten had he stayed. Tough to throw hail mary passes when you're laying down.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2018, 02:17:55 PM »
There are schools that get to keep guys for four years?
Heck, I can't remember Purdue's last early entrant [in football]... 
I mean, we did have one this last year [Eddy Wilson], but he had academic problems and had to go to the NFL because he couldn't stay eligible. So I don't think he quite counts. He went undrafted and ended up as an UDFA with Seattle. 

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2018, 02:43:14 PM »
Ohio State - Maurice Clarett: So much talent wasted away. Past football, If he stayed 4 years would he have fallen into a bad crowd? gone to jail? piss away his NFL talent? On the field, 6k rushing yards? Heisman? Another National Title?

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2018, 05:30:19 PM »
Vince Young, very possible a second consecutive MNC for Texas in the 2006 season.

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2018, 07:18:40 PM »
Ohio State - Maurice Clarett: So much talent wasted away. Past football, If he stayed 4 years would he have fallen into a bad crowd? gone to jail? piss away his NFL talent? On the field, 6k rushing yards? Heisman? Another National Title?
Imagine Clarett with NFL 1st round money???  He'd be out of the league quickly if he ever did get there.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2018, 07:22:13 PM »
If Herschel Walker stayed at UGA for his SR season...

average his carries his SO/JR years and multiply by his career ypc = 1908

5259 + 1908 = 7,167 yards
Walker would still hold the career rushing record, despite Dayne's bowl stats counting and Walker's not.  That's crazy.
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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2018, 07:31:56 PM »
Johnny Manziel played 2 years, if you double his numbers:
Passing x 2:  
14,640 yds (9th all-time)
126 TD (7th)
44 INT

Rushing x 2:
4,338 yds (5th for a QB, I believe...and more than Bo Jackson)
60 TD (10th all-time, 2nd for a QB - 1 more than Crouch, 3 more than Tebow)

That's a pretty sick career that never was.  Of course, this assumes no suspensions or major arrests, etc.

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Re: If this guy stayed for that 4th year, then ...
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2018, 07:35:10 PM »
As an aside, can I just rant here about all-time passing numbers and the schools these "top" guys performed at?  
Here's a list of the top 10 in passing yardage for a career, by school, not player:
Houston
Hawai'i
OU
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise St
OU
Washington St
Hawai'i
Marshall

Maybe I'm just a snob, but I really would like an all-time P5-type leaderboard separate from the 'I threw for 600 yards against the 90th-toughest schedule' crowd.  
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1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

 

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