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Topic: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?

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medinabuckeye1

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If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« on: December 08, 2020, 03:33:37 PM »
* Under normal parliamentary procedure ties fail. Thus, if UW moves to change the rule and UNL seconds (which is how it would probably go down), in the event of a 7-7 tie, the motion would fail.

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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2020, 03:37:03 PM »
My position has changed now that this has become a reality.  I think that regardless of what can be arranged this weekend, the B1G should waive its own rule and send the best team to the title game.

It's the year of Covid, all bets are off...
« Last Edit: December 08, 2020, 03:43:29 PM by JerseyTerrapin »

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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2020, 03:39:23 PM »
I don't think it will go to a vote.

they all know it wouldn't be allowed if voted on

the Commish will use his executive order
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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2020, 03:44:22 PM »
Bottom line, this is between tOSU and IU. My guess is that the schools who most see themselves as tOSU in this situation will be for tOSU while those who see themselves as IU in this situation will be for IU.

Schools I think are most likely to vote for tOSU:

  • tOSU, duh
  • UW, Alvarez already said so.
  • UNL, for two reasons. First because they certainly aspire to be a CFP contender. Second because tOSU and UNL have been pretty tight lately working to get the season played, etc.
  • M, this may seem counter-intuitive but they see themselves MUCH more as tOSU than as IU.
  • PSU, reasonable aspirations to CFP.
  • MSU, only other B1G team that has actually been to the CFP.
After that . . . I'm not sure. I think the least likely are IU, NU, and PU. IU because it costs them a B1GCG berth, NU because it drops their title chances from around 40% to around 5%, PU because the same-state schools tend to stick together. 


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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2020, 03:44:33 PM »
I just kinda picked a "gut feel" number, without analyzing exactly who will/won't vote certain ways.

I.e. I could see IU voting no, obviously. Purdue voting yes potentially to snub IU (but claim it's for the good of the conference to have a better representative in the postseason). Potentially M voting no to snub OSU. UNL voting no because they're butthurt about the B1G not letting them schedule a replacement for the W game... Most of the others voting yes to have the best conference representative in the biggest game. Etc.


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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2020, 03:48:00 PM »
I can't come up with reasons for 2 schools to vote with tOSU

possibly Nebraska, but I doubt it.

absolutely no other program - why would they?

would OSU buy votes under the table??

what would OSU have to bargain with besides straight cash?

perhaps a promise to vote with your interests sometime in the future??
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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2020, 04:14:09 PM »
Bottom line, this is between tOSU and IU. My guess is that the schools who most see themselves as tOSU in this situation will be for tOSU while those who see themselves as IU in this situation will be for IU.

Schools I think are most likely to vote for tOSU:

  • tOSU, duh
  • UW, Alvarez already said so.
  • UNL, for two reasons. First because they certainly aspire to be a CFP contender. Second because tOSU and UNL have been pretty tight lately working to get the season played, etc.
  • M, this may seem counter-intuitive but they see themselves MUCH more as tOSU than as IU.
  • PSU, reasonable aspirations to CFP.
  • MSU, only other B1G team that has actually been to the CFP.
After that . . . I'm not sure. I think the least likely are IU, NU, and PU. IU because it costs them a B1GCG berth, NU because it drops their title chances from around 40% to around 5%, PU because the same-state schools tend to stick together.


I think OSU could get Iowa and the the two newest on board.
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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2020, 04:31:06 PM »
I honestly don't care. Put OSU against the Iowa Wiscy winner, let Indiana play in the championship, and call it a day. The ones pushing to change the rules are Fox executives who want OSU in the B1G championship game.

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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2020, 04:37:57 PM »
If Iowa defeats Wisconsin, and is 6-2, and if Northwestern defeats Illinois, Northwestern isthe Big Ten West conference champion at 5-1;

and, if Iowa defeats Wisconsin, and Illinois defeats Northwestern and Northwestern is the Big Ten West champion at 5-2, then,

Ohio State would only care about wanting to play in the championship game, if it fears Iowa more than Northwestern. I don't think it makes a hoot bit of difference because if Ohio State defeats either team they are in the CFP, and Ohio State will have little care about whether it is the COVID-19 Big Ten Champion for 2020.

If Iowa and Northwestern both lose to their rivals this Saturday, it will be disappointing for the Big Ten Conference because Ohio State will be playing in a championship, or 2nd place game against what will appear to be much lesser opponent. Overall, I think it matters very little who Ohio State plays in cross-over week. Ohio State will be heavily favored.

I suspect Iowa has developed somewhat better than Northwestern at this point in the season, and would be a modestly more worthy opponent, but my suspicion can very easily be overcome in rivalry week. Wisconsin cast a hex on Iowa several years ago.

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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2020, 04:51:12 PM »
HA! saw this on another board

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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2020, 05:02:20 PM »
Not until Desmond apologizes.  :88:

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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2020, 05:05:54 PM »
HA! saw this on another board

"Do they now apologize to Herbstreit?"
hell yes
Herby should be on top of this
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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2020, 05:14:11 PM »
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Re: If no tOSU/M, will B1G allow tOSU to CG?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2020, 05:19:01 PM »
I think this thread is really completely moot. I seriously doubt it’s a vote. They will get together and discuss doing “the right thing for everybody “

I would like to hear from y’all about what you think that is.

I will add to max’s theory that it’s not the big problem for Ohio State, it is the number of games.

If Florida somehow beat Alabama and a good game, and Clemson beat Notre Dame is a good game, having Ohio stay with only six total games will give the committee just enough reason to keep them out. And that is exactly what they would do.

Fun times.  4 teams all with a loss in the Playoff, and the only power 5 team being undefeated- out.  

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