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Topic: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2020, 04:25:40 PM »
Modern rules, LSU would win. Nebraska would be down to mascots and cheerleaders by halftime after all of their players were ejected for targeting.

With 90s rules, LSU would have a bunch of concussed WRs who would have been "hung out to dry" by their QB. Kill shots and horse collar tackles were a regular part of the game, and they didn't have the QBs wearing skirts back then. Burrow would be rattled by the end of the 1st, and knocked out of the game by halftime.
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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2020, 04:53:42 PM »
Hard to say. I think I’d take 2005 Texas over any team simply because of Vince Young. He was the most unstoppable player that I’ve ever seen play college football. 6’5, 235 could run like a deer and throw the ball anywhere on the field. Cam Newton was bigger but didn’t have VY’s top end speed and moves in the open field.

In the biggest games VY always came up big. He played his best on the big stages. And when he was on and in the zone he was literally impossible to stop.

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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2020, 07:23:34 PM »
you need an active imagination

do you go with the baseline/average ofr teams or the peak performance in the biggest game?
I'm a little surprised two folks voted for the 95 Huskers
I voted for the '71 Huskers, but I voted without understanding the question.  If I were to vote again, it would be 2001 Miami that LSU would beat.  That team was really good, but it was sort of a down/flukey year in CFB.  The fact that they played a team in the NC game that didn't even win its division illustrates that.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2020, 07:38:02 PM »
It's too bad we didn't get to see OSU play LSU. Not saying they would have won, but after seeing the teams I think OSU matched up a lot better than Clemson did.  Oh well.


I REALLY wish it had been Ohio State Vs LSU as well. In the first half Clemson played like they’d “been there before” looking more polished and poised. In the 2nd half Clemson played like they’d “been there before” playing almost bored, at least compared to the appreciation and enthusiasm LSU brought. In that emotional sense Ohio State also matched up better with LSU.

As for the best team of all time, in any year where there is an undefeated team, the editorUSC was  shows make a point to sensationalize this point. Last year columnists did it with Clemson. It’s getting caught up in the moment.

Rather than racing to argue the best for the sake of a too subjective case, make it more nuanced.

Whose the most “talented” ever? 2001 Miami? I’ll argue 2002 Miami was even more talented, which bring me to...

Whose the best “sum-greater-than-parts” championship team? 2002 Ohio State?

The showiest champion ever? 2004 USC? Which I’ll argue 2005 USC was even showier.

I’d rather argue more nuanced “bests” then delve into the TV idiots idiots promoting LSU as the greatest team ever even though they admit they don’t watch college football. Looking at you Stephen A. 

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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2020, 08:12:02 PM »
this from Wiki........... 1995 Huskers

Due to their performance against Florida, victories over four teams that finished in the top 10 (by an average score of 49–18), consistent dominance (smallest margin of victory was 14 points, trailed only once all season, rushed for 51 touchdowns and 400 yards per game while allowing only 6 rushing touchdowns all season and 78 rushing yards per game), their record-setting offensive performance, and their statistically impressive defense throughout the season, the 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers are widely regarded as the greatest team in college football history. The team set Division 1-A records by averaging 7.0 yards per rushing attempt, allowing zero quarterback sacks, and allowing five punt returns (for 12 yards) over the entire season. The Cornhuskers average margin of victory was over 38 points, the largest of any Division 1-A team since World War II, despite regularly resting starters after halftime.

Total Offense #2 (556 per game), Rushing offense #1 (399.8 per game), Scoring offense #1 (55 per game), Passing Efficiency #17, Rushing defense #2 (78 per game), Pass Efficiency Defense #21, Total Defense #13, Scoring Defense #4 (13.6 per game), Passes intercepted #7 20 total, 

how would the other teams on the list, including 2019 LSU stack up???

I think I know.

LSU's weakness was defense.  Total defense #31 (343 yards per game) Scoring defense #32 (21.9 per game)
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2020, 08:57:20 PM »
The way the call PI and holding has change from the 90's....  and targeting did not exist at all.   I think today's game is called more like a 7v7 scrimmage.   Which rules is very important to the answer.  In the 90's, UNL would win.  I think they'd actually do better than people think with how you were allowed to hit at the safety position and how you could level a QB without being flagged.  Today, I'd say LSU in a shootout.   UNL would be hard pressed to stop that offense.   Just comparing those two... 
 

I voted for UNL thinking of the game being played in the 90's.   Probably a mistake.   Thinking of who would win in any decade, really the team that would be the most competitive regardless of rules would be Miami.  They would be the most flexible team in terms of rules changes of the group.  jmo

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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2020, 09:10:25 PM »
it's one team LSU would beat, not what one team would beat 2019 LSU

I voted Texas
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2020, 09:47:01 PM »
Glad to see the posts.  Sad to see the lack of carefully reading the title of the thread...
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2020, 10:35:20 PM »
Kind of a ridiculous thread.

"Pay no attention to what would really happen, try to imagine what it would be like if the players were quite a bit different than they actually were."

If the NCAA game were still a thing, then you could maybe simulate it on your XBox. Of course then, they wouldn't have known exactly how good LSU would end up being, when the game came out. So it would have been preseason projection LSU instead of NC LSU.
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WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
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2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2020, 10:51:33 PM »
Of course it's ridiculous, and meaningless.  It's for fun.  And the video game parallel is perfect - pretend it's a video game.  So the DT on '71 Nebraska has a rating of, say, 91.  It doesn't matter if he's 70 lbs lighter than '19 LSU's DT.  How good they each were matters.  
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I don't see the challenge here.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2020, 11:52:54 PM »
01 Miami would probably be the  toughest nut for LSU to crack.  There were no holes.  It was stupid. 
Okay, they have one great WR, let's turn that into a weakness by bracket covering him.  Oh, their All-American, 1st rd TE will destroy you underneath.  Umm, okay, let's get a good pass rush.  Their left tackle got Heisman votes.  Fine, let's key on the run!  Well, if we can slow 1200 yd rusher Portis, his backup is Willis McGehee.  And the 3rd string guy is Frank Gore.
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And the defense.....7 of the starting 11 were 1st rd draft picks.  Vince Wolfork was a backup.  Sean freakin' Taylor was a backup. 
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The only way you'd beat them is if they were bored.  Their only single-digit game in 2001 was Dec 1 @ Va Tech.  They were bored.  Why do I say that?  They hadn't allowed more than 7 points vs an opponent since Oct 13.  Their previous 2 games were vs ranked opponents and the final scores had been 59-0 and 65-7. 
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For all the marbles, they went up 34-0 at halftime vs Nebraska.  I don't like any incarnation of the Canes, but 2001 was too much. 
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2020, 11:55:09 PM »
Inner-thread quick trivia:  2019 LSU is the first SEC team to lead the country in scoring since who/when?
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2020, 11:56:13 PM »
Florida 1995?
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