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Topic: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2018, 11:18:33 AM »
This is another time-crunch issue that I was thinking about.  Think about everything that goes into this:
  • Your defense gets an eight yard sack on 2nd and 4 setting up 3rd and 12.  
  • The offense runs off a FB and a TE and replaces them with two WR's.  
you have a D-coordinator responsible for this.  He has assistant coaches on the field and in the booth with responsibilities.
Players are also responsible to be ready and know the situation and expectations of their roles in the defense
obviously, when something breaks down, you, as the head coach get called out in the post-game presser
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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2018, 03:38:04 PM »
I think the head coach has to be a manager more than anything. I think that's what trips up some of the coaches who end up failing miserably, that they don't effectively manage their coordinators and assistants. 

Darrell Hazell wasn't in over his head because he didn't understand football. I'm sure he understands more football than the folks on this board ever will in our lives. But he didn't effectively select and manage coordinators that could do their jobs. 

I honestly believe that if most of us on this message board were in Hazell's position, we wouldn't have ended up with John Shoop and Greg Hudson as our coordinators. We wouldn't have tried to play Tresselball without OSU-level talent. We wouldn't have tried to over-manage our players to the point where he wanted to project an image of professionalism so boring that when he was fired and Gerad Parker took over, they made the emphasis to actually try to have fun again. 

I don't think any of us would be excellent coaches. But we've all seen the coaches that want to do it "their" way and end up stubborn, exuding hubris while continuing to do what isn't working, all the way to the unemployment office.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2018, 03:57:16 PM »
I think the head coach has to be a manager more than anything. I think that's what trips up some of the coaches who end up failing miserably, that they don't effectively manage their coordinators and assistants.
I definitely think this is true in any managerial position.  I only have a fairly small staff but I can tell you that when I have good people, life is easy and when I don't, there aren't enough hours in the day for me to make up for it.  
The thing that makes it difficult, and I imagine that this is at least somewhat true for HC's as well, is that hiring seems to me to be more art than science.  I know that I have made hires that I thought would be great that were only so/so and hires that I was nervous about that ended up being great.  You just never know.  

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2018, 04:27:27 PM »
Ya well Duh,Saban & Meyer would be envious and asking me for pointers
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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2018, 06:26:53 PM »
I recall an embarrassing incident back when I played baseball.  I used to coach 3rd base, because someone had to do it.  Obviously there isn't much to it really.  We had a few signals and whatnot but the batter often didn't bother looking.  Fine with me.

One time we had a runner on second and the batter hit a gapper into left field, not hard, but right at the LFer, and as the runner approached 3rd base, I completely froze in indecision.  The guy kept running and was out by 20 feet on the throw.  My mind hit that 50-50 point.  Obviously I should have held him unless I was pretty sure he could make it.  But I froze.

I can imagine something similar happening in a football game, 4th and a yard or something, and you HAVE TO DECIDE quickly.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2018, 08:10:41 PM »
I recall an embarrassing incident back when I played baseball.  I used to coach 3rd base, because someone had to do it.  Obviously there isn't much to it really.  We had a few signals and whatnot but the batter often didn't bother looking.  Fine with me.

One time we had a runner on second and the batter hit a gapper into left field, not hard, but right at the LFer, and as the runner approached 3rd base, I completely froze in indecision.  The guy kept running and was out by 20 feet on the throw.  My mind hit that 50-50 point.  Obviously I should have held him unless I was pretty sure he could make it.  But I froze.

I can imagine something similar happening in a football game, 4th and a yard or something, and you HAVE TO DECIDE quickly.
There’s a guy who coaches third for my daughter’s softball team.  We were playing in a tournament this summer and we were down 2, bases loaded, with his daughter at bat.  She hits a gapper into left center.  The kid didn’t play it very well off the fence, and had a weak arm so it ended up being an inside the park grand slam.
So as his daughter is rounding the 3rd the ball is still in play but it’s pretty clear she is going to be safe.  So he holds out his hand and slaps her five as she is heading home.  Well, this is illegal.  You can’t touch a baserunner while the ball is in play.  The coach of the other team protests and sure enough they call her out.
Not only does it cost us a run in a tight game but he’s cost his daughter a rare grand slam.  He’s devastated, she’s devastated.  Luckily, we held onto win.  We made him do 20 pushups after the game. LOL.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2018, 11:40:52 AM »
great story

the opposing coach is a dick
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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2018, 11:47:41 AM »
We had an opposing coach call time out and complain to the ump about a play.   Our kid slid into base and according to league rules, sliding is only allowed on forced play.   Kids were 8 yrs old.  Kid called out is devastated and crying because he doesn't know what he did wrong. The opposing team was up 16-1 at that point as well.   (our team was full of kids who played other sports.. we were in the wrong division for the competition... that team/coach knew that as well..)

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2018, 12:13:50 PM »
I used to coach and ref rec soccer.  I have a lot of stories about that one.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2018, 05:14:09 PM »
for a single game, i think myself and many others here could do... ok.

over the course of a couple year, any program i took over would fall apart at the seams. partially, or maybe primarily, because i don't have the desire (not to mention the knowledge) to run a program full time. it's not day job, not even a heavy-load 5 day week job. it's 24-7-365, and i don't have any desire to work like that.

and, again, i'd be so far over my head from a knowledge standpoint, it wouldn't really matter if i did have the gumption anyway.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2018, 06:49:48 PM »
The point I was pondering, obviously, is how ready "we" are with criticisms for coaching calls.  (I mean the "we" of course being folks who don't post here.)  Those folks are ready with criticism, including the Talking Heads, who by and large can't coach, so they criticize.

I am reminded me of a quote by Teddy Roosevelt.


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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2018, 07:10:27 PM »
'It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.' - Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2018, 12:25:37 AM »
This is the kind of question that a person only asks, annoyingly, if he already has the answer he would give for himself, but I persevere despite my tackiness:

Is there a coach in the game that you really relate to? Like, can you think of a CFB coach that you believe is similar in habits or personality to you?

For me, and I know there are many people who see him rather negatively, like he can never turn it off, just way too up all the time, but it absolutely has to be PJ Fleck. BTN has this new program all to itself that is 100% Monday/Tuesday pressers. I DVR it and have that in the background fairly often. And I gotta say that, aside from Harbaugh (because that's my team), no one makes me look up from my household chores or computer screen to nod along like PJ Fleck.

Whether I'm lecturing in front of a class or leading my labmates (or thinking about building a team/clinic/department in the future), I notice that he and I speak similarly and have similar philosophies about life. Enthusiasm through the roof. And putting on a pedestal the idea that there's nothing a healthy human brain can't think and do that any other healthy human brain has ever thought or done before. That kind of optimism has basically always been my entire teaching philosophy. And so far it's never failed.

Anyway, I always kind of liked PJ, but this weekly presser thing is making me like him more and more. He's not for everyone, I'm sure. And I wouldn't be surprised if the same people on this board who think he's a blowhard have felt the same about me. It's fully cool and comes with the territory.
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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2018, 10:29:03 AM »
Saban probably exhibits the closet personality to me, always finding fault with something somewhere.

That's why I'm so lovable in person.

And no, I'd never be in Saban's coaching universe except as an observer. 

I'd be more like Spurrier when it comes to recruiting.  But SoS could flat out coach gameday.


 

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