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Topic: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 07:18:37 AM »
The speed at which these endeavors takes place would overwhelm us without appropriate preparation.  
That is what I was thinking when I first read this question.  Watching on TV from the comfort of my own couch/living-room I can see the down and distance and the relative field position (it helps that the TV gives me this information).  Seeing this in real time and getting a play called quickly enough to get the right personnel onto the field, aligned correctly, and ready to snap the ball would be something else entirely.  

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2018, 07:52:47 AM »
As a self-employed guy for a whole lot of years, I think I could manage people. And that's where it would stop.
I had ~150 students report to me as computer lab manager. I had to get real good at group speak and delegating. 
I don't know enough about football coaching to be any good or demand the athletes respect. I would have to have great people to delegate to. 

I'm really confident that given the chance to get mentored in coaching I could get really good at it, but right now I'd have no clue.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2018, 08:31:40 AM »
I think any of us, had we made this a career, starting out coaching PeeWee and working our way up, could become at least competent, if not Nick Saban, but none of us have, though I'm sure a few have coached at lower levels perhaps up to HS.

I agree about the speed needed for decision making without access to a screen full of information.  A computer game might make this interesting where you had to decide in real time to run X or Y or Z.

I know game prep comes into this in a big way so you have a sheet which narrows the options to 4 or 5 plays perhaps in certain down and distance situations.  I wonder if anybody uses a computer upstairs to run an algorithm on which plays should have most success.

Someone could input real time plays and results to update said algorithm.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2018, 08:38:06 AM »
I'd have no business doing this.  I'd probably quit at halftime.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2018, 08:44:01 AM »
I'd have no business doing this.  I'd probably quit at halftime.
Retire, you'd retire at half time.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 09:05:13 AM »
I’d be very bad at it. 

I’ve met people who became HS coaches because too early, even the young and precocious ones often struggle. 

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 09:28:45 AM »
I'd sign a multi-year contract at OSU with guarantee's and tell the they all need to take ballet to improve flexibility.   I'd also run the triple option and go back to the old 5-2.   Then I'd give my staff more time off, promote studies over workouts and work on a book. 


but that's just what I'd do as the OSU coach. 

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 10:25:26 AM »
I'd sign a multi-year contract at OSU with guarantee's and tell the they all need to take ballet to improve flexibility.   I'd also run the triple option and go back to the old 5-2.   Then I'd give my staff more time off, promote studies over workouts and work on a book.


but that's just what I'd do as the OSU coach.  
and you'd mysteriously find a way to lose to the Cornhuskers 
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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2018, 10:31:44 AM »
I'm not sure I could even do that...

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2018, 10:42:02 AM »
JMO, but given the staff and support personnel that are available even at mid-majors these days, the HC job is far more management than coaching. Make good strategic decisions on personnel and be a successful motivator, and you'll be fine. 

Those tend to be inherent traits IMO, as opposed to learned. There are guys out there (NU hired one a few years ago) that have been coaching for decades and still make basic mistakes in judgment. Then there are young guys, first-time HCs, who make the right moves most of the time. 

I'd be a terrible motivator...not a Rah-rah type of guy, and that's what most athletes respond to. 

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2018, 10:53:07 AM »
Pulling from my experience of coaching my daughter's soccer team, a lot of the challenge is just organizing everyone.  Think about the logistics of defensive subbing - you need to have subs ready to go in and players run off, often in a matter of seconds.  We focus on the easy stuff - playcalling and clock management, but that's just a drop in the bucket for the head coach.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2018, 03:48:44 PM »
I'd be catastrophic in terms of ... knowing football. Brut assembling and motivating a team is a trait I've built over decades. That and press conferences, I like to think I'd have down.
Then I think you would have the best chance at being successful.  You can surround yourself with coaches who know the game and can take care of the schematic part.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2018, 10:58:54 PM »
Football is a really tough one, probably the toughest, in terms of learning curve.

The speed of the game would crush me.  I love baseball, and I think it's chess.  But chess is slow, so I think any baseball nerd with interpersonal skills could be a good manager pretty quickly.I think all the moves on the fly is why we would all suck as football coaches.  The time to plan is why I think Of have a chance as a baseball manager.

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Re: How do you think you would do as head coach in football right now?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2018, 11:04:28 AM »
Pulling from my experience of coaching my daughter's soccer team, a lot of the challenge is just organizing everyone.  Think about the logistics of defensive subbing - you need to have subs ready to go in and players run off, often in a matter of seconds.  We focus on the easy stuff - playcalling and clock management, but that's just a drop in the bucket for the head coach.
This is another time-crunch issue that I was thinking about.  Think about everything that goes into this:
  • Your defense gets an eight yard sack on 2nd and 4 setting up 3rd and 12.  
  • The offense runs off a FB and a TE and replaces them with two WR's.  
  • You need to identify the opposing players exiting/entering so you know what you are up against.  
  • You need to grab your next two DB's and send them in with instructions to send two LB or one LB and one DL out.  
  • Your two entering guys need to get on the field and into position AND your exiting guys need to get off the field prior to the snap or you are dinged for too many men on the field.  
Now add to that the fact that in addition to simply swapping LB's and DL's for DB's in nickle/dime situations a number of teams also have running down and passing down DL's and LB's so in addition to the LB's and DL's being swapped for DB's you also have running DL/LB being swapped for passing DL/LB.  You could easily have four guys entering/leaving all in a matter of seconds.  

I don't know the exact rule but I know there is some provision that offenses have to provide time for defenses to make substitutions IF the offense makes substitutions but they don't have to give them all day.  The coaches have to make these decisions almost instantaneously in order to provide time for the personnel groups to get on/off the field.  

Then add this consideration:  When we watch a game on TV or even in person we are generally up pretty high so it is easy to see the #'s on the offensive guys who exit/enter.  Thus, we can pretty easily see that (for example), a FB and a TE left and two WR's entered.  The HC is at field level with his 11 guys and the other team's 11 guys between him and the opposite sideline.  It has to be difficult sometimes just to know what people the offense deleted/added.  In the 3rd and 12 example that I listed above this is probably not important since it is an obvious passing down but what if it is 3rd and 4-5?  That is a passing down for probably most offenses but if the defense brings in a dime package it would make sense for a lot of offenses to bring in extra TE's and just try to overpower the smaller defenders for those 4-5 yards.  

 

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