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847badgerfan

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #392 on: August 15, 2017, 11:52:25 AM »
Quote from: ELA on August 15, 2017, 11:32:06 AM
Where are the Irish?

At the top of the helmet list, because you asked, apparently.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #393 on: August 15, 2017, 11:57:05 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 15, 2017, 11:50:41 AM
within that 9 years, LSU, Georgia, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan, and Miami have fired coaches
Texas and Michigan have fired multiple coaches right?  If you don't buy Mack Brown's "retirement."
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #394 on: August 15, 2017, 12:01:22 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 15, 2017, 11:47:59 AM
Actually, 31st.  But that includes some teams such as Utah and BYU.

behind West Virginia and Oklahoma St. and Georgia Tech

narrowly ahead of Michigan St and Texas A&M

a few games ahead of Iowa and Missouri
Which also brings up an interesting point about MSU.


Considering we've seen people post that the Dantonio era, the last 10 seasons, are the peak of MSU football, yet even accounting for half of the total of the past 20 years, MSU's winning percentage over those 20 years is still below their all-time ranking.  The prior 10 years were far more out of whack with MSU's historical profile (in a bad way) than the last 10 years were.  They are probably between #18-#22 all-time program, and over the past decade, what are they, maybe borderline top 10?  So 10ish spots above their historical placing.  But over the previous 10 are they even in the top 50? The decade prior to Dantonio's arrival was much more of an MSU outlier than the 10 years of Dantonio,
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #395 on: August 15, 2017, 12:02:56 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 14, 2017, 08:45:04 PM
Wasn't Curtis Martin on those awful Pitt teams?  I always liked their script Pitt logo and yellow/blue color scheme, but sometime in the 90s the yellow turned to piss/puke yellow-green and looked terrible.  And then they changed to the navy/old gold which is okay....I wish they'd go back to their original 80s scheme.

Yessir, he was.  The Paul Hackett era was gloriously terrible for Pitt, they got pounded a ton those 3 years.

Couple of other Pitt responses:

1.  I LOVE the old script PITT logo and really wanted them to wear those throwbacks against PSU last year to reignite the rivalry.  Not sure why Pitt didn't do that, it would have gone over crazy good.
2.  DYK - Pitt has produced the third most NFL HOFers (eight) tied with Michigan and Alabama.  They also currently have one sure fired guy (Fitzgerald) and a better-than-not to get in guy in Darrelle Revis in the league now.  That is quite impressive. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #396 on: August 15, 2017, 12:03:40 PM »
Quote from: ELA on August 15, 2017, 12:01:22 PM
Which also brings up an interesting point about MSU.


Considering we've seen people post that the Dantonio era, the last 10 seasons, are the peak of MSU football, yet even accounting for half of the total of the past 20 years, MSU's winning percentage over those 20 years is still below their all-time ranking.  The prior 10 years were far more out of whack with MSU's historical profile (in a bad way) than the last 10 years were.  They are probably between #18-#22 all-time program, and over the past decade, what are they, maybe borderline top 10?  So 10ish spots above their historical placing.  But over the previous 10 are they even in the top 50? The decade prior to Dantonio's arrival was much more of an MSU outlier than the 10 years of Dantonio,

Better than the Duffy Daugherty years even?
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #397 on: August 15, 2017, 12:07:13 PM »
Quote from: PSUinNC on August 15, 2017, 12:03:40 PM
Better than the Duffy Daugherty years even?
I've never said it was peak MSU, but people have posted that.  The mid 50's through mid 60s were better IMO.  But MD-era is closer to MSU's all time average than the decade prior to his arrival was.  That yes, some regression to the mean was bound to come.  But that is still a top 25 team, not back to Bobby Williams/JLS.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #398 on: August 15, 2017, 02:50:12 PM »
Quote from: ELA on August 15, 2017, 11:57:05 AM
Texas and Michigan have fired multiple coaches right?  If you don't buy Mack Brown's "retirement."

Yeah, Mack Brown didn't retire.

Texas has fired 2 coaches in the past 4 years.  Sure hope we're done with that for a  while.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #399 on: August 15, 2017, 05:14:39 PM »
Pshht. That's nuthin'

The last OSU head FB coach to not get fired, you ask?

Paul Brown, 1943.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #400 on: August 15, 2017, 10:03:27 PM »
I'm still not sure I buy Bob Stoops retirement
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #401 on: August 16, 2017, 01:53:47 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 15, 2017, 10:55:46 AM
24 years if you don't count Boise

which I don't

No, none of the win% lists from the past 30 years should include Boise.  My 5A high school in FL had tougher schedules than the Broncos most years. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #402 on: August 16, 2017, 01:54:36 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 15, 2017, 10:03:27 PM
I'm still not sure I buy Bob Stoops retirement

Maybe it's just the times, but I'm waiting for there to be a 19-year old girl involved somehow.  Or I'm overly jaded.  Hell, the last 3 women I've spent time with were early-mid 20s...can't keep your hands off 'em, lol.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #403 on: August 16, 2017, 04:17:25 PM »
Quote from: ELA on August 15, 2017, 12:07:13 PM
I've never said it was peak MSU, but people have posted that.  The mid 50's through mid 60s were better IMO.  But MD-era is closer to MSU's all time average than the decade prior to his arrival was.  That yes, some regression to the mean was bound to come.  But that is still a top 25 team, not back to Bobby Williams/JLS.

I have a lot of respect for MD, but you have to go with the hardware. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #404 on: August 16, 2017, 05:07:11 PM »

In Pitt's defense, The teams from the early 70's thru the early 80's were outstanding and the program was as strong as any in the country.  They were #1 a few times in that span, and the 1980 team with Hugh Greene, Marino and the OL was stupid good.  That team lost a freaky game early in the season to Florida State (before it was FLORIDA STATE, and actually Bowden always said this was the win that put FSU on the map) and they mauled everyone the rest of the year.  Instead of getting the obvious choice to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia, since they were #2 in the nation, The Sugar selected a pedestrian ND team.  Pitt went to the Gator Bowl and finshed #2.  Had Pitt won the MNC that season, they'd arguably be talked about as one of the best teams of all time, I believe that. 


That 1980 Pitt team was indeed very very good and UGA was probably lucky to have missed them.  Notre Dame was pretty good that year, but UGA needed a couple of breaks, and a defensive stand late, to win.

The 1981 UGA team was better than the 1980 team IMHO and had Pitt beat until a late Marino fourth down pass upset the Dawgs.

The 1980-1982 UGA team of course is highlighted by a certain running back, but they were 10-1-1 in 1984 after he left and beat Texas in the Cotton Bowl denying Texas a clear NC they should have won.  Texas had a nasty nasty defense that year.  The Horns dropped a punt with about 3 minutes left and UGA somehow scored a TD with a QB who was not very good but managed one run in his career and that was it.

Anyway, Pitt merits consideration in all of this, IF we were talking about how good the program has been over time.  However, we aren't.

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #405 on: August 16, 2017, 05:08:43 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 16, 2017, 05:07:11 PM
In Pitt's defense, The teams from the early 70's thru the early 80's were outstanding and the program was as strong as any in the country.  They were #1 a few times in that span, and the 1980 team with Hugh Greene, Marino and the OL was stupid good.  That team lost a freaky game early in the season to Florida State (before it was FLORIDA STATE, and actually Bowden always said this was the win that put FSU on the map) and they mauled everyone the rest of the year.  Instead of getting the obvious choice to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia, since they were #2 in the nation, The Sugar selected a pedestrian ND team.  Pitt went to the Gator Bowl and finshed #2.  Had Pitt won the MNC that season, they'd arguably be talked about as one of the best teams of all time, I believe that. 
Heh, I think we literally had this exact post a page back
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