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ELA

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #378 on: August 14, 2017, 02:18:17 PM »
Quote from: PSUinNC on August 14, 2017, 01:46:41 PM
They claim 8 before 1940, and the 76 team is legitimate with Dorsett, who is remarkably under rated when you talk about the best RB's ever in CFB.  Pitt had 3 starting QB's that season and won the MNC - think about that.  How good did he have to be to overcome that?

In Pitt's defense, The teams from the early 70's thru the early 80's were outstanding and the program was as strong as any in the country.  They were #1 a few times in that span, and the 1980 team with Hugh Greene, Marino and the OL was stupid good.  That team lost a freaky game early in the season to Florida State (before it was FLORIDA STATE, and actually Bowden always said this was the win that put FSU on the map) and they mauled everyone the rest of the year.  Instead of getting the obvious choice to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia, since they were #2 in the nation, The Sugar selected a pedestrian ND team.  Pitt went to the Gator Bowl and finshed #2.  Had Pitt won the MNC that season, they'd arguably be talked about as one of the best teams of all time, I believe that. 

The 1981 team was subsequently very good as well, but they got pounded by Penn St 48-14 in the last game of the year as #1.  Frankly, the program never rebounded after that loss.  They hit rock bottom in the late 90's and basically are what they are now for the past 15 years - put together a nice season here and there, make a run at the Top 15 and division crown every so often, but mostly their a 7-5/8-4 program. 
As the amount of college football on YouTube continues to expand, here's that game in its entirety


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC99YZMkM-E
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #379 on: August 14, 2017, 02:24:04 PM »
well, that game obviously helped, but if FSU was ranked #11, they were already on the map
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #380 on: August 14, 2017, 02:58:04 PM »
Florida
Wisconsin
Pitt
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #381 on: August 14, 2017, 04:00:22 PM »
One thing about Pitt:


In this exercise I am always concerned that I will be biased by Ohio State's experiences against a particular team.  For example, if you judged Clemson based solely on Ohio State's performance against them they would be a MAJOR Helmet team.  Pitt is pretty much the opposite. 


All-time, Ohio State is 19-5-1 against the Panthers.  Furthermore, the first four games (1929-1936) included two losses and a tie.  Since then the Buckeyes are an even more impressive 18-3 against Pitt. 


It is a rather peculiar series.  The two teams played 18 times in 26 years from 1929-1954 including every year for 13 years from 1940-1952.  Since 1954 the teams have played seven times:
  • A Fiesta-bowl and a home-and-home in the 1980's
  • A four year double home-and-home from 1993-1996
The four games that I am most familiar with are the four from the 1990's because I was at Ohio State when those were played.  I attended the two of them played in Ohio Stadium and watched the other two on TV.  Ohio State won all four easily.  The scores were:
  • 72-0 in 1996
  • 54-14 in 1995
  • 27-3 in 1994
  • 63-28 in 1993
Based on those four games I would consider Pitt to be a bottom-feeder.  To be fair to Pitt though, 1993-1996 may well be the absolute low-point in the whole history of Pitt football.  In those four years they went 12-32 and their best record was 4-7 in 1996. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #382 on: August 14, 2017, 08:43:06 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 14, 2017, 02:07:44 PM
yes, from 1974-1982 (9 year span) Pitt was #3 in winning percentage


impressive run


Florida could probably boast a run that good, Wisconsin, maybe not

Florida had a 20-year run with the #1 win%.
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« Reply #383 on: August 14, 2017, 08:45:04 PM »
Wasn't Curtis Martin on those awful Pitt teams?  I always liked their script Pitt logo and yellow/blue color scheme, but sometime in the 90s the yellow turned to piss/puke yellow-green and looked terrible.  And then they changed to the navy/old gold which is okay....I wish they'd go back to their original 80s scheme.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #384 on: August 15, 2017, 08:23:50 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 14, 2017, 08:45:04 PM
Wasn't Curtis Martin on those awful Pitt teams?  I always liked their script Pitt logo and yellow/blue color scheme, but sometime in the 90s the yellow turned to piss/puke yellow-green and looked terrible.  And then they changed to the navy/old gold which is okay....I wish they'd go back to their original 80s scheme.
I personally like the script Pitt with the navy/gold, like they have now.  Have wanted it for a while.  I have to admit, their throwbacks last year were badass enough that I wouldn't mind them coming back fully time.



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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #385 on: August 15, 2017, 10:55:46 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 14, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
Florida had a 20-year run with the #1 win%.

24 years if you don't count Boise

which I don't
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #386 on: August 15, 2017, 11:17:13 AM »

Last 20 years, not including G5 or recently moved up P5, by winning percentage (traditional "helmets" in bold):


1. Ohio State
2. Oklahoma
3. FSU
4. Georgia
5. LSU
5. Oregon
7. Florida
8. Virginia Tech
9. Wisconsin
10. USC
11. Texas
12. Nebraska
13. Alabama
14. Michigan
15. Miami
16. Clemson
17. Auburn
18. Kansas State
19. Penn State
20. Tennessee
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #387 on: August 15, 2017, 11:32:06 AM »
Where are the Irish?
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #388 on: August 15, 2017, 11:37:51 AM »
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #389 on: August 15, 2017, 11:41:41 AM »
The fact that Brian Kelly is responsible for more deaths than championships, and is still there for his 9th (?) season is staggering.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #390 on: August 15, 2017, 11:47:59 AM »
Quote from: ELA on August 15, 2017, 11:32:06 AM
Where are the Irish?

Actually, 31st.  But that includes some teams such as Utah and BYU.

behind West Virginia and Oklahoma St. and Georgia Tech

narrowly ahead of Michigan St and Texas A&M

a few games ahead of Iowa and Missouri
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #391 on: August 15, 2017, 11:50:41 AM »
Quote from: ELA on August 15, 2017, 11:41:41 AM
The fact that Brian Kelly is responsible for more deaths than championships, and is still there for his 9th (?) season is staggering.

within that 9 years, LSU, Georgia, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan, and Miami have fired coaches
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