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Topic: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)

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utee94

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #490 on: April 15, 2020, 04:06:13 PM »
You're missing your chance for your vehicle to be powered by 100% grade A Wisconsin cattle flatulence.
Well his conversation already is, so I guess it's ok if his vehicle isn't...

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #491 on: April 15, 2020, 04:07:52 PM »
The Miss River would be the Atchafalaya now already, right?
Maybe, maybe not. The Mississippi could have punched through in any number of places. 

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #492 on: April 15, 2020, 04:30:20 PM »
Maybe, maybe not. The Mississippi could have punched through in any number of places.

Captain Shreve's cut may be the ultimate demonstration of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
So, my answer then. We don't know. "They" F'd up. Because New Orleans.
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #493 on: April 15, 2020, 04:33:20 PM »
Henry Miller Shreve' story is an interesting one, but before him, taking the first steamboat down the Mississippi to New Orleans, was Nicholas Roosevelt, great-grand-uncle of Theodore Roosevelt.
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #494 on: April 15, 2020, 04:56:58 PM »
Hey, sometimes you need to move, reverse the flow, or completely change the routing of rivers.

It worked to keep the Chicago lakefront clean... 


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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #495 on: April 15, 2020, 05:08:16 PM »
We only have a pretty small river.  It is dammed about 50 miles upstream and has formed a rather large lake with a lot of shoreline, which now is mostly lined with vacation homes.  We get drinking water from it and flush waste (treated) back into it.  During droughts, that hasn't worked very well.

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #496 on: April 15, 2020, 05:56:15 PM »
I was busy today so I didn't see it earlier (and feel free to move the climate discussion to that thread if you want), but the US has the power to compel other countries to reduce their emissions. Obviously that hasn't been done for the past 3 years, but don't surprised if next year, the US and other OECD countries start stricter requirements on who they trade with and tax imports from China and elsewhere based on their emissions.

As I've said before, but wind and solar will continue to grow. Hydro has its problems, as you're all discussing, as does nuclear, but as long as they're around, they might as well get used. Coal will gone before long (Virginia just passed its 100% RPS for 2050 and banned coal generation by 2024) by which point investment in gas generation will have peaked (the current oil & gas market collapse isn't an isolated problem and will have long-term consequences, too). Hydrogen will gradually displace it for all its purposes (heating, generation, etc.) as electrolysis becomes economical.... This will all continue to happen faster in Europe and Australia, to be sure, but this transition is inevitable so there's not much point to slowing it down.
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #497 on: April 15, 2020, 06:16:07 PM »
Hey, sometimes you need to move, reverse the flow, or completely change the routing of rivers.

It worked to keep the Chicago lakefront clean...


Yet another engineering disaster that needs to be fixed.
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #498 on: April 15, 2020, 11:18:05 PM »
engineers are the worst

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #499 on: April 15, 2020, 11:35:50 PM »
People, probably going back only a couple hundred years ago:  See that flood plain?  Okay, we need to build up over there, on that high ground.  You know, to avoid inevitable catastrophe.
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Recent people:  See that flood plain?  Okay, we need to fill it in and build on it.  You know, anything catastrophic would only be like a once-in-a-lifetime event, anyway (proceeds to build a city that will lasts hundreds of years).
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #500 on: April 16, 2020, 08:32:23 AM »
That would be completely wrong. 

People have been building in water's harms way for thousands of years. That's the problem. People know better now, and it's highly regulated. There is no way Chicago ever gets built where it is with current FEMA, Army Corps and DNR regulations. It was all wetland and floodplain.

Let's not even get into New Orleans. That city should be America's largest wetland - larger than the Everglades, which have also gotten screwed up.
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #501 on: April 16, 2020, 09:22:59 AM »
Cincinnati was built on a flood plain obviously, surrounded by hills.  During a typhoid outbreak (or some such disease), wealthier folks moved up into the hills, one of which today is called Mt. Healthy.  In 1937, they had a great flood that left water marks still visible in places that are impressive.

The city grew because of river boats, and diminished because RRs passed them largely.  It was the fourth largest city in the country in 1880.

Savannah, GA was founded on a hill on the river because of mosquitoes (malaria, which means bad air, and yellow fever etc.)  It's about a 40 foot bluff over looking the river.  The old city was almost torn down but was saved and is interesting today.

I think the only large cities today not on a significant body of water are Dallas and Atlanta.

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #502 on: April 16, 2020, 10:45:37 AM »
Water is the reason why the Twin Cities are the Twin Cities. St. Paul remains the effective head of navigation on the Mississippi River, whereas Minneapolis grew up around the industrial power source of St. Anthony Falls. 

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #503 on: April 16, 2020, 11:13:53 AM »
Cincinnati was built on a flood plain obviously, surrounded by hills.  During a typhoid outbreak (or some such disease), wealthier folks moved up into the hills, one of which today is called Mt. Healthy.  In 1937, they had a great flood that left water marks still visible in places that are impressive.

The city grew because of river boats, and diminished because RRs passed them largely.  It was the fourth largest city in the country in 1880.

Savannah, GA was founded on a hill on the river because of mosquitoes (malaria, which means bad air, and yellow fever etc.)  It's about a 40 foot bluff over looking the river.  The old city was almost torn down but was saved and is interesting today.

I think the only large cities today not on a significant body of water are Dallas and Atlanta.
By "significant" do you mean "navigable"?
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