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Topic: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2020, 03:22:33 PM »
I like to say the average American is the comments section of a youtube video.  
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2020, 03:31:13 PM »
I like to say the average American is the comments section of a youtube video. 
Some of those comments are comedic gold. 

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2020, 03:34:31 PM »
I don't see the problem.
I think more population creates more problems.
Do you believe that because you don't see it that therefore there is no problem?
First, even if we all stipulate that shrinking population is a good (or at least neutral) rather than bad thing, there is still a problem during the transition.  

Social Security was set up at a time when our population was growing rapidly.  US Population at decennial census from 1830-1940 (I hope this pastes right, if not, link):
183012,866,02033.49%
184017,069,45332.67%
185023,191,87635.87%
186031,443,32135.58%
187038,558,37122.63%
188050,189,20930.16%
189062,979,76625.48%
190076,212,16821.01%
191092,228,49621.02%
1920106,021,53714.96%
1930123,202,62416.21%
1940132,164,5697.27%
When the program was set up in the 1930's the US had a population of between 123M (1930 census) and 132M (1940 census).  But there were substantially less older people because the people who were >60 had been born in a country of less than half of the then population.  The program was established in 1935 at that time:
  • 105 year olds were near non-existant and to the extent that they did exist, they had been born in a country of 13M
  • 95 year olds were also near non-existant and to the extent that they did exist, they had been born in a country of  17M
  • 85 year olds had been born in a country of 23M
  • 75 year olds had been born in a country of 31M
  • 65 year olds had been born in a country of 39M

When population is growing rapidly, the average age is fairly young.  When population growth slows or turns negative, the average age rises sharply.  Per a Stanford Study, when SS was established in 1935 life expectancy was just 61 (meaning that the few recipients were already past their life expectancy when they got their first checks).  According to the Social Security Administration there were 6.7M Americans >65 in 1930.  That is just 5% of the then population of 123M.  By 2000 there were 34.9M Americans >65.  That is 12% of the then population of 281M.  And note that that was BEFORE the Baby Boomers started turning 65 at a rate of ~11k/day starting January 1, 2011.  

Since there isn't a magic trust fund the current benefits are paid by the current workers.  The fundamental problem for the system is that the number of workers per retiree is shrinking.  A shrinking population only makes the problem worse.  

Even if we stipulate that smaller population would be a good (or at least neutral) thing for other reasons, it is a fiscal catastrophe for the SSA.  

Second, fundamentally I agree with @OrangeAfroMan 's idea that a shrinking (or at least stable) population is a good thing.  Growing our population further increases urban sprawl and is bad for the environment and for the per capita amount of resources that our nation holds.  I assume, therefore, that @OrangeAfroMan supports political movements in favor of limiting population growth such as by limiting immigration?  :29:

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2020, 03:35:08 PM »
Yes, to start. My accountant explained to me that some or all could/would be forgiven if we don't lay anyone off.
what are your banks saying? we have a lot that aren't moving on with the process because they don't have regs on how it will be repaid once it's forgiven.

also, how'd you apply for 4 months? our forms are limited to 2.5 months.

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2020, 03:38:38 PM »
The other thread got locked and I don’t want to get political here and get this one locked- but I have an idea- one that every American should be on board for- why doesn’t Congress launch an investigation into the CCP cover-up and the WHO complicity in said cover-up- and immediately call for pulling funding to the WHO. 

Which by the way, the US is the single largest funder of the WHO. The US gives them hundreds of millions of dollars every year. I say we cut that funding off immediately and launch and investigation into the WHO. 

Let’s see if Congress has the stones to do what is right for a change.

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2020, 03:42:28 PM »
Oh man, the other thread got locked before I could chime in, that I actually know Alex Jones.  He went to my high school, was a couple years younger than me.  We were never BFFs or anything but we had mutual friends and social circles. 

He's one crazy mofo. 

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #62 on: April 06, 2020, 03:46:04 PM »
Oh man, the other thread got locked before I could chime in, that I actually know Alex Jones.  He went to my high school, was a couple years younger than me.  We were never BFFs or anything but we had mutual friends and social circles.

He's one crazy mofo.
He is certainly very entertaining. I know he doesn’t believe anything he says. I believe that he and his lawyers basically admitted as much during his divorce hearings. Dude has made a small fortune off of being a crazy internet troll.

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2020, 03:48:13 PM »
He is certainly very entertaining. I know he doesn’t believe anything he says. I believe that he and his lawyers basically admitted as much during his divorce hearings. Dude has made a small fortune off of being a crazy internet troll.

Oh he actually believes plenty of it, but yes he was quite successful at monetizing some fringe crazies.

And he made, and lost, that small fortune.  His divorce, and then various other lawsuits, pretty much wiped him out.  

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2020, 03:53:21 PM »
what are your banks saying? we have a lot that aren't moving on with the process because they don't have regs on how it will be repaid once it's forgiven.

also, how'd you apply for 4 months? our forms are limited to 2.5 months.
I misspoke a bit. 2.5 months is the limit, but with the cash on hand and that 2.5 months we'd be set for 4 months without any cash flow. There is also a salary cap, so a few of will get a "pay cut", per se.

I've got a 25 year relationship with our credit union and was their first-ever business client. They are being very helpful and handling the minutia. 
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #65 on: April 06, 2020, 03:56:20 PM »
I'll try to find out who locked the other thread. Not that it matters. It got out of control. 

I thought this thread would bite the dust first...

Not sure why a discussion on the Wuhon Superflu had to get political, but I guess that will happen when are politicians are doing it.

Keep the politics out of this thread. Policy is fine, and close enough anyway.
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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2020, 04:02:07 PM »
Apart from covering this horrible pandemic up- the CCP has been in the middle of committing a genocide of sorts- at least 1 million possibly even more- Muslim Uighurs are locked up in concentration “re-education” camps and the CCP is leveling mosques via controlled demolitions all over Northwest China.

These bastards need to be stopped.

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #67 on: April 06, 2020, 04:03:02 PM »
I think more population creates more problems.
It's a double-edged sword. It creates more problems and it creates more solutions, and often IMHO the solutions > problems. 

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2020, 04:03:57 PM »
I think having a place to discuss the current event of COVID19 is good.

That thread became a shitshow for sure, though.  I didn't lock it, I assumed it was you bf.

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Re: Government Policy and Budget Discussion Thread (no politics)
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2020, 04:05:45 PM »
Oh man, the other thread got locked before I could chime in, that I actually know Alex Jones.  He went to my high school, was a couple years younger than me.  We were never BFFs or anything but we had mutual friends and social circles.

He's one crazy mofo.
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