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utee94

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #364 on: December 20, 2022, 03:33:41 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2022, 03:29:21 PM
I'm not saying they should have
heck, they probably shouldn't have for the past 5 decades
I'm just saying they potentially could have tried.  Maybe it would have put off the inevitable a few more seasons, maybe not.

I'm saying that the way this has gone isn't probably what the courts intended, but w/o and regulation or rules, we could see this coming.
Maybe the courts saw it as well, but had no way of helping to steer it.

It's not the courts it's the state legislatures.  And they don't care.  Why should they? They're letting the free market run its course.

My prediction is that these kinds of deals aren't going to last forever and that the market will stabilize. 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #365 on: December 20, 2022, 03:48:38 PM »
oh it's a free market

and it's certainly running it's course
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #366 on: December 20, 2022, 03:54:30 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 20, 2022, 03:31:55 PM
Unless/until there's a Federal law that supersedes, the states are making their own laws and they're not all identical.  I can't speak for the states involved in this "recruitment" but in the state of Texas, there absolutely can not be any mention of pay-for-play nor can the specific school even be mentioned.

And $5M sounds EXACTLY like the kind of Wild Wild West deal that is not going to provide the desired ROI.  These are the deals that are going to die off once boosters realize that it doesn't work.


a problem will eventually arise if some states are allowing much more than others
that's the job of the NCAA to "try" to promote a level playing field - perhaps they cannot
Perhaps congress will get involved to "save" the sport

heck they seemed interested in Taylor Swift concert tickets

and we all know there are plenty of "secret" conversations/phone calls between program officials such as recruiting coordinators and O-coordinators and head heads to arrange a $5 million dollar deal for a prized QB
and the ROI is obviously tied to wins and losses - pay for play
maybe impossible to prove
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #367 on: December 20, 2022, 03:57:35 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2022, 03:54:30 PM
and the ROI is obviously tied to wins and losses - pay for play
maybe impossible to prove

Yes, but there's nothing stopping Joe QB from leaving a school after a year, even after accepting a $5M deal.  That's why I expect this kind of deal to die off and rather quickly.   It's not the players that will stop the deals, it's the boosters that will realize their $5M deal THIS year, isn't getting them jack shit NEXT year.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #368 on: December 20, 2022, 04:04:02 PM »
yup, boosters will learn to write something into the contract

especially when shelling out multiple millions up front
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #369 on: December 20, 2022, 04:08:44 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2022, 04:04:02 PM
yup, boosters will learn to write something into the contract

especially when shelling out multiple millions up front
But that's the point I'm making.  For the most part, they can't legally write anything into the contract.  They can make it time-bound, which is their most effective means of control and really all they can do.  But it can't be pay for play, it can't involve stats, it can't be contingent on winning the starting job, it can't even involve playing for a particular team.  It's just a contract to use a person's name, image, and likeness,  and to compensate them for it.

Traditionally and presumably that NIL would be used for marketing purposes, but THAT'S not even required, they don't HAVE to use it at all.  They purchase the rights, and then pay the player. 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #370 on: December 20, 2022, 04:53:19 PM »
well, I'm a local car dealer

your image and likeness has no value to me when you jump the portal to a school across the country

I'd guess I can protect myself somehow

not related at ALL to playing football - cause of course the contract or initial value had nothing to do with actually playing

it would in VERY interesting to see some of these contracts in different states and then see how they evolve in the coming seasons
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #371 on: December 20, 2022, 06:01:35 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 20, 2022, 03:19:50 PM

https://twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1605293673952038929?t=1dmZb6MXqQZTy0ji8To57A&s=19
I have less of a problem with this than I have with shit programs like A&M or Miami trying to buy recruiting classes with NIL. Those HS kids ain't done jack. Don't understand throwing money at them. 

Offering Drake Maye truck loads of cash, now that I totally understand. He's going to be a very high NFL draft pick. He's shown he's worth the money by balling out and producing on the field in college. Unlike these HS recruits. 

I think the bigger problem is the tampering. If Maye decides to enter the portal and then field offers that's one thing. NCAA will never be able to really do jack about NIL, but they could very easily crack down on the tampering.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #372 on: December 21, 2022, 03:44:09 PM »
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #373 on: December 21, 2022, 04:43:18 PM »
So Dabo celebrates Clemson and not Christmas? Based on the amount of calls he got 3 yrs ago he should be sucking up
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #374 on: December 21, 2022, 05:01:02 PM »
Dabo just preaching to his fan/booster base

He's in the bible belt ya'll know
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #375 on: December 21, 2022, 05:11:19 PM »
Ya well he was hitting below the belt in '16
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #376 on: December 21, 2022, 06:29:49 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 21, 2022, 05:01:02 PM
Dabo just preaching to his fan/booster base

He's in the bible belt ya'll know
He's in the bible belt buckle.  
He's Joel Osteen, in orange clothing.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #377 on: December 21, 2022, 07:51:18 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2022, 04:04:02 PM
yup, boosters will learn to write something into the contract

especially when shelling out multiple millions up front
The "up front" just seems stupid. 

Monthly installments contingent on the player being on the roster. 

Transferring, quitting, getting kicked off of the team, etc would void the contract. 
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