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Topic: Full Helping SOC (week 5)

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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #182 on: September 29, 2025, 10:51:37 AM »
tell them to get a lawyer  

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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #183 on: September 29, 2025, 11:23:58 AM »
How do you feel about all of the graduate student researchers (making universities many many many more billions than athletics does) being rewarded with "only" a free advanced degree?

No room and board. No free trainers. No free nutritionists. No NIL. Tiny stipend (maybe).
Did those Universities have a monopoly on what those students could do and subvert the free market?  Did they prevent them from taking outside jobs, control their behavior outside work, prevent them from transferring to another University or employer?  Also, were the professors making multiple millions of dollars, as well as the dept heads?  

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« Reply #184 on: September 29, 2025, 11:28:11 AM »
How do you feel about all of the graduate student researchers (making universities many many many more billions than athletics does) being rewarded with "only" a free advanced degree?

No room and board. No free trainers. No free nutritionists. No NIL. Tiny stipend (maybe).
I feel like the market can set that. To my knowledge, there is no rule that schools can't pay graduate students. Some schools pay better than others. They may also get paid from other sources.

That's a stark contrast to the NCAA rules which prevented schools from paying players and prevented them from being paid at all, despite being part of a billion dollar business.

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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #185 on: September 29, 2025, 11:30:15 AM »
Did those Universities have a monopoly on what those students could do and subvert the free market?  Did they prevent them from taking outside jobs, control their behavior outside work, prevent them from transferring to another University or employer?  Also, were the professors making multiple millions of dollars, as well as the dept heads? 
There is no free market in graduate school.

If you're going to transfer while pursuing a graduate degree, you may as well quit - especially true for a PhD.

There is no way to keep an outside job.

Professors make a ton of money.

The NFL prohibits kids from entering until they are out of HS for three years.
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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #186 on: September 29, 2025, 11:34:03 AM »
I dunno feels pretty awesome to me.
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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #187 on: September 29, 2025, 11:38:01 AM »
I dunno. The legalized theft that college football used to be also made me feel dirty.
Ya,coaches up and leaving with no reprisals or getting canned then receiving millions for it thru buyout,we can prolly start there
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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #188 on: September 29, 2025, 11:41:57 AM »
There is no free market in graduate school.

If you're going to transfer while pursuing a graduate degree, you may as well quit - especially true for a PhD.

There is no way to keep an outside job.

Professors make a ton of money.

The NFL prohibits kids from entering until they are out of HS for three years.
But transferring isn't "illegal"...it's just not feasible.  
No way to keep a job, but it's not disallowed.  It's would just be very difficult...but not impossible. 
Professors making "a ton of money"....is it multiple millions from their salary?  I could see maybe a few here or there making some big bucks from some special arrangement but I'd doubt that most make over $200,000.  

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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #189 on: September 29, 2025, 11:44:55 AM »
Professors make a ton of money.
Really? My dad didn't. He did ok--particularly at the end of his career, but the year I started as a lawyer (at a big, national firm), I made the same amount of money that he did. I was 29, he was 59. Now, he was a particular kind of professor and wasn't selling books, etc., but I don't think most professors make a lot of money. My sister didn't either, though she was only a professor for a few years.

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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #190 on: September 29, 2025, 11:46:02 AM »
there's a thread for this...................
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« Reply #191 on: September 29, 2025, 11:49:12 AM »
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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #192 on: September 29, 2025, 12:00:31 PM »
Professors don't make a ton of money, in the main, and it's a long haul to find a position and then gain tenure.  As for grad students, you get paid either to teach or be a research assistant.  It's certainly a pittance, but it's liveable, usually.  Contrast this with med school.

I saw a couple grad students transfer out, both times because their professor left, so they likely didn't lose anything.  Professors can be pretty mobile, if they get a "name", they are subject to being poached.  Usually when a grad student left, it was because they failed something important, like the prelim oral exam.  That happened fairly often.

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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #193 on: September 29, 2025, 12:08:49 PM »
Professors don't make a ton of money, in the main, and it's a long haul to find a position and then gain tenure.  As for grad students, you get paid either to teach or be a research assistant.  It's certainly a pittance, but it's liveable, usually.  Contrast this with med school.

I saw a couple grad students transfer out, both times because their professor left, so they likely didn't lose anything.  Professors can be pretty mobile, if they get a "name", they are subject to being poached.  Usually when a grad student left, it was because they failed something important, like the prelim oral exam.  That happened fairly often.
Mine did. Bonuses were better than the pay for most.

I once saw a report (that I should not have seen*) that had some bonuses on it. Many of these guys were making North of $1 Million, over 30 years ago.

* I was grading papers for the department chair at the time, when I stumbled upon it.
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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #194 on: September 29, 2025, 12:11:46 PM »
I dunno feels pretty awesome to me. I really have no idea who will win the championship this season, not really sure who will even end up as the major contenders. The games feel a lot more meaningful.
agreed. i actually love the parity. been awhile since we had that.

for years it was oh BAMA is just gonna win it all, why even bother? then it was oh Georgia is just gonna win it all, why even bother? then Michigan 2023 was pretty much a sure thing and returned everyone and was stacked. that might be the last team to run the table undefeated and go wire to wire as #1 team and win it all with the way the game is now.

seems like it's more up in the air than ever and anyone of 10-15 teams can win it. and quite frankly I'd much rather have that than the way it was in the past.
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Re: Full Helping SOC (week 5)
« Reply #195 on: September 29, 2025, 12:17:47 PM »
Mine did. Bonuses were better than the pay for most.

I once saw a report (that I should not have seen*) that had some bonuses on it. Many of these guys were making North of $1 Million, over 30 years ago.

* I was grading papers for the department chair at the time, when I stumbled upon it.
there are virtually no professors making that kind of money. it's incredibly rare and typically only in medicine- and they aren't actually professors- they are working physicians in the schools hospital systems who happen to also teach on the side. 

 

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