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Topic: Establishing an OOC Rivalry

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #210 on: June 29, 2020, 05:30:14 PM »
there's much more to HFA than crowd noise
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #211 on: June 29, 2020, 05:35:53 PM »
Yeah, 3-4 points is probably about right, and most of that is crowd noise in key situations, right?

Some can be due to time zone changes and travel and unfamiliar surroundings.
I posted that most of it is due to crowd noise.  Do you disagree?

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #212 on: June 29, 2020, 06:34:24 PM »
I would guess that, but it depends on how you define an upset.  I don't  tend to think a 3 point dog winning a game is an upset, and that 3 points would be shaded for HFA.  It would be interesting to see the home-vs-away pedigree for 10+ point upsets.

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What defines an "upset".  I only have limited spread information (1998-2016).

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #213 on: June 29, 2020, 06:40:23 PM »
I would say where a 10+ point dog won.  One could argue for 7 points.  I think more recent results would be most enlightening anyway.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #214 on: June 29, 2020, 06:42:54 PM »
10 point spread seems reasonable
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #215 on: June 29, 2020, 06:44:40 PM »
I do not think that this is necessarily correct because bowl opponents vary based on record. 

Ie, in years when Bama barely squeaks into a bowl at 6-6 they usually face a comparable team that also barely squeaked into that bowl at 6-6 or maybe 7-5.  Conversely, when Bama is 13-0 and #1 they typically face a comparable team that is 12-1 or so. 

I remember, years ago, having this discussion with a USC fan.  USC is 25-9 in Rose Bowls and 9-11 in other bowls.  The USC fan made the statement that "of course USC didn't do as well when they weren't in the RoseBowl because those USC teams weren't very good.  I pointed out that of course they weren't, but their opponents weren't very good either. 

USC has 55 Bowl appearances with:
  • 34 wins
  • 20 losses
  • 1 win that got vacated (2005 Orange Bowl win over Oklahoma)



USC has one vacated loss as well, and officially 53 appearances because of those vacated games.

35-20 on the field, 34-19 officially.

Rose bowl opponents total record:  (308-32-8)--0.897

Non-Rose bowl opponents total record:  (178-62-2)--0.740


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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #216 on: June 29, 2020, 06:45:56 PM »
I would say where a 10+ point dog won.  One could argue for 7 points.  I think more recent results would be most enlightening anyway.

I'll see what I can do.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #217 on: June 29, 2020, 09:43:51 PM »
Records of teams favored by 10 or more (00-16):


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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #218 on: June 29, 2020, 11:12:08 PM »
Yeah, we need some playoff appearances. 
Winning the East isn't enough.  That should be the default.  We won the East twice under McElwain, but it didn't matter, because it was just an invitation to get beat up by Bama. 
Florida should win the East more than half the time and should win in Atlanta more than half the time we get there.

That's how you keep your job in Gainesville.  If both of those happen, we'll be in the playoff plenty.
Dan probably won’t do that.

I’ll be interested who will. Probably won’t happen until the top end of the West and UGA all slip some.

Ahh well. CFB is all about expectations rising wild. Such is life.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #219 on: June 30, 2020, 01:51:25 AM »
I'm not saying it will happen, but that's what would placate the Gator Nation.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #220 on: June 30, 2020, 05:50:08 AM »
Records of teams favored by 10 or more (00-16):


Closer than I would have thought, and a 12.3% chance of an upset by a significant underdog at home is interesting with a 10+ point spread, as this includes teams that were 15 point dogs, etc.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #221 on: June 30, 2020, 05:53:30 AM »
So, in an 8 team playoff where the 1-8 contest is played in 1's home stadium, we might expect an upset one time in eight games played.  If that #8 team often is the leading G5 team, one might expect them to have say a 1 in 6 chance of winning the second round at a "neutral" site, and perhaps the same shot in the NC game.  That is pretty low odds of course, which suggests one reality that they shouldn't play in the playoff in the first place.

Or you might accept those odds, a one chance in 8 x 6 x 6, which would happen eventually of course.

That is 0.35%, one shat in 300.  Do you think a team with one chance in 300 merits that chance?
« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 07:05:48 AM by Cincydawg »

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #222 on: June 30, 2020, 09:51:21 AM »
no, but the extra games provide good revenue
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #223 on: June 30, 2020, 09:55:42 AM »
If the motivation is simply more revenue, then why not 16 or 32 or 64?


 

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