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Topic: Establishing an OOC Rivalry

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rolltidefan

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #154 on: June 26, 2020, 01:26:32 PM »
does sec teams have an inordinate bowl record compared to their overall record? do bigten have the opposite?

i don't know, genuinely curious.

alabama's bowl record is quite good, but it should be considering their overall record.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #155 on: June 26, 2020, 01:50:13 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 26, 2020, 12:50:46 PM
I'm attack all fans of teams in the "Big Whatever" conference.  If you have Big in your name, your toast.

I'm after all from a directional conference ....
Ya we know what direction your conf is headed >:(
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #156 on: June 26, 2020, 02:03:00 PM »
I'm still surprised that the SEC hasn't changed its name.

It should be the SWxSE conference.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #157 on: June 26, 2020, 02:06:10 PM »
If anyone thinks playing in your home state or within driving distance for a bowl game is not an advantage, they're not being honest.   Doesn't mean fans don't prefer to travel to Miami over Chicago in Dec.  Those are two different statements.  
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #158 on: June 26, 2020, 02:11:29 PM »
TO learned that taking his team to the bowl site a few days earlier relative to the "standard" really helped bowl performance.   The players went from dry cold air to many times much more humidity in addition to warmer temperatures.  The players bodies took a few extra days to adjust and UNL spending more money to cover this additional time away from Lincoln paid off.   It was an expense UNL had that FSU or Miami would not when playing in the orange bowl.  
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #159 on: June 26, 2020, 02:48:52 PM »
As stated nobody is going to go to three playoff games at neutral sites. 

Having the higher seeded team host game 1 would result in a sellout for round one instead of an empty stadium. 
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #160 on: June 26, 2020, 03:21:33 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on June 26, 2020, 02:06:10 PM
If anyone thinks playing in your home state or within driving distance for a bowl game is not an advantage, they're not being honest.  Doesn't mean fans don't prefer to travel to Miami over Chicago in Dec.  Those are two different statements. 
what do you consider driving distance? i've driven 12+ hours for some games and i've flow to some that would have taken 6-8 to drive. i didn't consider any of them advantageous.

if we're talking team travel, i don't think bowl travel has much effect on teams, except maybe the hawaii bowl. both teams get to their destination several days if not a week in advance. travel has limited, if any, effect at that point.

if you're talking fans, meh, possible, but not always as intuitive as you'd expect. bama vs clemson in the sugar was fairly heavy in clemson's favor, despite them having to travel at or near twice as far. which might surprise some around here. and at that point, clemson had been to 2 title games, so their fans weren't immune to the travel fatigue effect either.

but that's anecdotal and is certainly not a good sample size. but suffice it to say, it's not as simple as team "a" is closer and within driving distance while team "b" has to fly, so team "a" have an advantage.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #161 on: June 26, 2020, 07:17:43 PM »
I haven't been deflecting, I've been including pertinent aspects of this topic.  

The question, "Do SEC teams benefit from home-field advantage in bowls?" isn't a yes/no answer.  If Florida has an advantage in the Sugar Bowl, would you then argue its advantage is the equal of LSU's?  If a season hasn't lived up to expectations and you wind up in the Gator Bowl vs an unsexy team like Indiana, I'd argue there's no home-field advantage.  

Even the Big 8 champs going down to Miami to play Miami was probably more about climate than home-field advantage.  If you're incorporating climate INTO home-field advantage....ehhh.  These aren't bowl games being played in 95 degree weather, guys.  It's usually about 75 and cooler at night.  

I'm not railing against having important bowls up north, I just don't think it would take.  Beyond the freezing fans in the non-domes (hmm, I wonder why domes are a thing?!?), you'd honestly just get worse football.  I don't care if you were raised in Duluth, MN, you're not going to be at your best in 2 degree weather compared to 65 degree weather.  
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #162 on: June 26, 2020, 07:52:33 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2020, 07:17:43 PM
The question, "Do SEC teams benefit from home-field advantage in bowls?" isn't a yes/no answer.  If Florida has an advantage in the Sugar Bowl, would you then argue its advantage is the equal of LSU's?  If a season hasn't lived up to expectations and you wind up in the Gator Bowl vs an unsexy team like Indiana, I'd argue there's no home-field advantage. 

Even the Big 8 champs going down to Miami to play Miami was probably more about climate than home-field advantage.  If you're incorporating climate INTO home-field advantage....ehhh.  These aren't bowl games being played in 95 degree weather, guys.  It's usually about 75 and cooler at night. 

I'm not railing against having important bowls up north, I just don't think it would take.  Beyond the freezing fans in the non-domes (hmm, I wonder why domes are a thing?!?), you'd honestly just get worse football.  I don't care if you were raised in Duluth, MN, you're not going to be at your best in 2 degree weather compared to 65 degree weather. 
no, LSU's advantage would be more advantageous

yes, home climate is a large part of home field advantage - duh
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #163 on: June 26, 2020, 10:59:40 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 26, 2020, 07:52:33 PM
no, LSU's advantage would be more advantageous

yes, home climate is a large part of home field advantage - duh
Tell us about the climate in the Sugar Bowl.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #164 on: June 26, 2020, 11:23:42 PM »
They have domes in Arizona and Texas.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #165 on: June 27, 2020, 12:29:56 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2020, 10:59:40 PM
Tell us about the climate in the Sugar Bowl.
Fine play the games in Detroit/Indy then problem solved
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #166 on: June 27, 2020, 08:37:40 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2020, 10:59:40 PM
Tell us about the climate in the Sugar Bowl.
Sorry, I haven't been to the Sugar bowl

I have been to the Orange bowl and the Fiesta bowl
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #167 on: June 27, 2020, 08:46:11 AM »
Quote from: Entropy on June 26, 2020, 02:06:10 PM
If anyone thinks playing in your home state or within driving distance for a bowl game is not an advantage, they're not being honest.  Doesn't mean fans don't prefer to travel to Miami over Chicago in Dec.  Those are two different statements. 
I simply disagree.  If it is an advantage, I believe it is very slight for reasons I have posted, maybe a point, probably not even that.

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