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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2688 on: August 17, 2025, 10:12:05 AM »
WASHINGTON (AP) — A year after being lauded for its plan to replace thousands of aging, gas-powered mail trucks with a mostly electric fleet, the U.S. Postal Service is facing congressional attempts to strip billions in federal EV funding.

In June, the Senate parliamentarian blocked a Republican proposal in a major tax-and-spending bill to sell off the agency’s new electric vehicles and infrastructure and revoke remaining federal money. But efforts to halt the fleet’s shift to clean energy continue in the name of cost savings.

Donald Maston, president of the National Rural Letter Carriers’ Association, said canceling the program now would have the opposite effect, squandering millions of dollars.

“I think it would be shortsighted for Congress to now suddenly decide they’re going to try to go backwards and take the money away for the EVs or stop that process because that’s just going to be a bunch of money on infrastructure that’s been wasted,” he said.

Beyond that, many in the scientific community fear the government could pass on an opportunity to reduce carbon emissions that contribute to global warming when urgent action is needed.


Electrified vehicles reduce emissions
A 2022 University of Michigan study found the new electric postal vehicles could cut total greenhouse gas emissions by up to 20 million tons over the predicted, cumulative 20-year lifetime of the trucks. That’s a fraction of the more than 6,000 million metric tons emitted annually in the United States, said professor Gregory A. Keoleian, co-director of the university’s Center for Sustainable Systems. But he said the push toward electric vehicles is critical and needs to accelerate, given the intensifying impacts of climate change.

“We’re already falling short of goals for reducing emissions,” Keoleian said. “We’ve been making progress, but the actions being taken or proposed will really reverse decarbonization progress that has been made to date.”

Many GOP lawmakers share President Donald Trump’s criticism of the Biden-era green energy push and say the Postal Service should stick to delivering mail.

Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, said “it didn’t make sense for the Postal Service to invest so heavily in an all-electric force.” She said she will pursue legislation to rescind what is left of the $3 billion from the Inflation Reduction Act allocated to help cover the $10 billion cost of new postal vehicles.

Ernst has called the EV initiative a “boondoggle” and “a textbook example of waste,” citing delays, high costs and concerns over cold-weather performance.

“You always evaluate the programs, see if they are working. But the rate at which the company that’s providing those vehicles is able to produce them, they are so far behind schedule, they will never be able to fulfill that contract,” Ernst said during a recent appearance at the Iowa State Fair, referring to Wisconsin-based Oshkosh Defense.

“For now,” she added, “gas-powered vehicles — use some ethanol in them — I think is wonderful.”

Corn-based ethanol is a boon to Iowa’s farmers, but the effort to reverse course has other Republican support.

Rep. Michael Cloud, R-Texas, a co-sponsor of the rollback effort, has said the EV order should be canceled because the project “has delivered nothing but delays, defective trucks, and skyrocketing costs.”

The Postal Service maintains that the production delay of the Next Generation Delivery Vehicles, or NGDVs, was “very modest” and not unexpected.
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« Reply #2690 on: August 21, 2025, 06:46:55 PM »

I think by 2030, the value gap on ICE vs EV will have closed.  I still think about the cost of charging vs gas in some situations.
if the government really wanted to push EVs, an increase of tax on gasoline by $1/gallon would help.
would close the gap
could use that revenue to build charging stations and nuke plants for cheaper electricity
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« Reply #2691 on: Today at 08:44:26 AM »
In CA of course, the price of gas now reflects that roughly.  I'd guess it's $4.80 or so today, vs $2.80 here.

The charging problem away from home is still an issue, just less of one.

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« Reply #2692 on: Today at 09:09:06 AM »
there ya go, Cali doesn't need a mandate

just tax gas to $5.80 a gallon
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« Reply #2693 on: Today at 09:19:37 AM »
Let's take an example, cost per hundred miles for "fuel".  An EV typically needs 30 kWhrs for that, some take a bit less, some more.  A charging station may cost $0.40/kWhr, so your cost is $12 per hundred miles.  

Take an equivalent small SUV that gets 33 mpg, a hybrid, some size etc., at $5.80 per gallon, your at $17.40.  So here it works.  If the charging station costs 50 cents, it diminishes of course, a bit, and I'm not taking into account oil changes etc.  So I agree higher has prices would shift the equation.  There was some controversy about EVs needing new tires more often, which COULD be true.  They tend to have more torque so folks might scoot off the line more often, it's not clear.  EV tires can be more expensive and use harder rubber compounds.

Another piece to this is used car prices for EVs seem to be quite low relatively, so in 2030, you might like a 2028 EV used, perhaps it's not quite as nice overall but costs half as much?


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« Reply #2694 on: Today at 09:20:59 AM »
Let's take an example, cost per hundred miles for "fuel".  An EV typically needs 30 kWhrs for that, some take a bit less, some more.  A charging station may cost $0.40/kWhr, so your cost is $12 per hundred miles. 

Take an equivalent small SUV that gets 33 mpg, a hybrid, some size etc., at $5.80 per gallon, your at $17.40.  So here it works.  If the charging station costs 50 cents, it diminishes of course, a bit, and I'm not taking into account oil changes etc.  So I agree higher has prices would shift the equation.  There was some controversy about EVs needing new tires more often, which COULD be true.  They tend to have more torque so folks might scoot off the line more often, it's not clear.  EV tires can be more expensive and use harder rubber compounds.

Another piece to this is used car prices for EVs seem to be quite low relatively, so in 2030, you might like a 2028 EV used, perhaps it's not quite as nice overall but costs half as much?


Cost of replacing the battery banks on a used EV is always going to be a major consideration in its market price.

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« Reply #2695 on: Today at 09:24:58 AM »
Cost of replacing the battery banks on a used EV is always going to be a major consideration in its market price.
Yes, a lot of data suggests batteries are lasting for a long time in EVs.  Well, according to the Interwebz.

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« Reply #2696 on: Today at 09:28:39 AM »
folks charging at home would see a large savings
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« Reply #2697 on: Today at 09:58:42 AM »
Let's take an example, cost per hundred miles for "fuel".  An EV typically needs 30 kWhrs for that, some take a bit less, some more.  A charging station may cost $0.40/kWhr, so your cost is $12 per hundred miles. 
I looked up Plugshare near me. Range of prices. Some as high as $0.45/kWh which I assume are L3 fast charging. A lot of L2 charging in the $0.30/kWh range. The lowest paid I saw was $0.19, but I did see some locations with free charging. 

FYI gas near me is probably $4-4.30 (Costco), 4.50-4.70 (most standalone gas stations). 

Only point this out to add that you can't assume that every single public charging scenario is L3 fast charging. For many people, that's really only needed on road trips (and then it's REALLY needed, of course). 

Many of these are at shopping centers, where they offer L2 charging at those lower ($0.30 or so) rates with free parking for several hours. So if you roll in there, look around at some stores, spend 1.5 hrs eating dinner, you get a couple hours worth of charge. Others are at hotels, where for obvious reasons you don't need L3 charging. 

My work parking structure doesn't show up (b/c it's not open to the public), but I know that structure has L2 slots. Which makes sense--you can basically charge from 10-80% in a work day at L2 charging speeds, and you're stuck there for a lot of hours anyway. 

L3 is expensive. But it's not an either/or between L3 and home charging. There are other public options at a variety of speed and costs. 

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« Reply #2698 on: Today at 10:01:09 AM »
it won't happen cause politicians know they get voted out if they raise taxes but, IMO it's a better plan than a mandate
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« Reply #2699 on: Today at 10:10:26 AM »
Yes, a lot of data suggests batteries are lasting for a long time in EVs.  Well, according to the Interwebz.
The laws of physics dictate that using current battery technology, degradation must occur over time.  To what extent is debatable.  The car companies and battery companies will, no doubt, provide best-case scenarios.  While reality is likely to be somewhat different.

If I'm buying a used EV, I will insist on a substantial warranty covering the cost of battery replacement to insure me against premature expiration.  And that substantial warranty is likely to cost the provider a significant amount of money. 

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« Reply #2700 on: Today at 10:11:40 AM »
you won't be buying a used EV
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« Reply #2701 on: Today at 10:14:29 AM »
Teslas have been around for over 15 years, should be some data on those batteries and replacement costs and resale value
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