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847badgerfan

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2604 on: July 03, 2025, 10:55:33 AM »
We drive maybe 6000 miles a year. Paying extra for an EV makes zero sense to us.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2605 on: July 03, 2025, 11:06:53 AM »
That is a factor, but I suspect it's fairly minor in the population as a whole.  A LOT of conservatives live in California, where gas prices are quite high, much more than some Democrats living in Wyoming.  Democrats do often live in states with high gasoline prices, so that is also a related factor.

But I do think Republicans often view EVs as silly even if they would need their needs reasonably well.  And Democrats may buy them even if they don't.
What I'm saying is... Let's make it absurd.

Let's say 80% of people living in rural areas are conservatives. Let's say 80% of people living in urban areas are liberal. We'll assume the entire US population is split ideologically 50/50, based on the fact that the Presidential popular vote often is very close to equal between the two parties. And that the entire US population is split 50/50 between rural and urban. Both of those assumptions make the math easy. 

Let's say (unrelated to politics), EV uptake is 10% in urban areas, and 1.5% in rural areas, and that there is NO political bias in the buyers. 

So there are 170M people in the US in rural areas and 170M in urban areas. We'll say 5% are replacing their car with a new vehicle each year, because that gets us to 17M/year, which isn't far off reality. 

So now you have 8.5M cars sold in urban and 8.5M in rural areas each year. 

In urban areas, that means 850,000 EVs sold. Because 80% of the residents are liberal, that means that 680,000 are bought by liberals and 170,000 are bought by conservatives. 

In rural areas, that means 127,500 EVs sold. That means that 25,500 are bought by liberals, and 102,000 are bought by conservatives. 

Which works out to 705,500 total to liberals, and 272,000 total to conservatives. 

My point is that even if there was no ideological divide, the numbers would be unbalanced based upon the rural/urban R/D split. 

I *do* think there are some additional identity politics / ideological divide on top of that, of course. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2606 on: July 03, 2025, 11:10:27 AM »
I agree there are those biases, and also agree that a fair bit of this is partisan, as we see from posters here.

Anyone who states "I'd never buy an EV ever." is likely 99% conservative.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2607 on: July 03, 2025, 11:15:22 AM »
I might buy one but, I doubt it.
and it's got nuttin to do with politics
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« Reply #2608 on: July 03, 2025, 11:16:03 AM »
I agree there are those biases, and also agree that a fair bit of this is partisan, as we see from posters here.

Anyone who states "I'd never buy an EV ever." is likely 99% conservative or old.
FTFY. I suspect some of the people here are just old and set in their ways...

I find it a little sad that it's aligned that way. I'm an engineer, so I simply look at EVs as a car with an alternative powertrain. They have some significant advantages. They have some significant disadvantages. Ultimately I'll look at my next vehicle purchase as EV or not-EV on the merits of those tradeoffs and what I want, not based on political bias.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2609 on: July 03, 2025, 11:21:04 AM »
FTFY. I suspect some of the people here are just old and set in their ways...

I find it a little sad that it's aligned that way. I'm an engineer, so I simply look at EVs as a car with an alternative powertrain. They have some significant advantages. They have some significant disadvantages. Ultimately I'll look at my next vehicle purchase as EV or not-EV on the merits of those tradeoffs and what I want, not based on political bias.

I’m a 52 year old engineer, I simply don’t want one.  I would definitely consider a hybrid but I have zero interest in an EV at the moment. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2610 on: July 03, 2025, 11:48:50 AM »
While I do think identity politics plays into EVs to an extent, I think it's also very heavily biased by the rural/urban split. Someone in an urban area is likely going to drive fewer daily miles and have more access to charging infrastructure making them more EV-friendly.

I.e., a Republican in San Jose, CA IMHO is much more likely to drive an EV than a Democrat in Cheyenne, WY.

The fact is that the rural/urban split tends to correlate with the political party split, so I think that makes it difficult to suss out which is more dominant as an explainer of the phenomenon.

Are you saying correlation != causation?  

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« Reply #2611 on: July 03, 2025, 11:49:58 AM »
FTFY. I suspect some of the people here are just old and set in their ways...

Hey, I take offense to that.  One does not have to be old, sir, to be set in my ways :) 

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« Reply #2612 on: July 03, 2025, 11:53:23 AM »
you're older than you think
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« Reply #2613 on: July 03, 2025, 11:58:31 AM »
I might buy one but, I doubt it.
and it's got nuttin to do with politics

Me.  

It's a logistics and and numbers game to me, nothing more.  If I thought, from an accounting standpoint, that the Net Present Value of an EV purchase would be less than an ICE or a hybrid, and that the infrastructure in place easily accommodated my needs, I'd likely do it.  

About two years ago, on this thread, I think, I went through a bunch of the math, estimating my driving habits, cost of gas wrt mpg and the cost of electricity.  It was rough estimates to be sure, but I concluded at the time that the EV I picked for my comparison probably didn't save me much money, and would be a hassle in too many situations.

Ergo, it just didn't make sense for me.

Politics didn't even enter into my mind.  Until now, when yet someone else made EVERYGODDAMNTHING about politics......sigh.   

Obviously I lean right, in some areas hard right.  

That's still a matter of correlation not equaling causation imo, because it's just a fact that conservative minded people on the whole tend more to be anal number crunchers and left-leaning people on the whole tend to value other components of the thought process.  It just is what it is, and that's all that's going on here.  The thought of letting a political affiliation or some politician/president who likely knows nothing about cars and even less about my financial situation influence my purchase decision is repugnant to me.  
  

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2614 on: July 03, 2025, 11:59:13 AM »
I’m a 52 year old engineer, I simply don’t want one.  I would definitely consider a hybrid but I have zero interest in an EV at the moment.
Same, but I wish I was 52.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2615 on: July 03, 2025, 12:00:43 PM »
you're older than you think

I am?  

I think I'm in my mid-40's.  If I'm wrong about that I'm in worse shape than I knew.  

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« Reply #2616 on: July 03, 2025, 12:19:34 PM »
I am? 

I think I'm in my mid-40's.  If I'm wrong about that I'm in worse shape than I knew. 
He means you had early onset grumpy old man syndrome.

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« Reply #2617 on: July 03, 2025, 12:21:09 PM »
Personally I'd gladly buy an EV if it fit my use case and the TCO were reasonable.

I think these look pretty cool, actually (weird grill/headlights notwithstanding)





 

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