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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2408 on: January 13, 2025, 01:59:30 PM »
@Cincydawg 

https://electrek.co/2025/01/13/tesla-cybertruck-gets-10000-solar-panel-wrap-that-gives-you-more-range/

Claimed up to 1.5kW, which means at best the equivalent of 120V @ 12.5A, a little less than most single residential breaker circuits can supply for rooms not expected to handle major appliances. 

So maybe 2+ miles of range per hour of sunlight at peak mid afternoon, and less the test of the day. 

At $10K, that's too pricey to make economic sense as a range extender. Even at inflated CA electricity prices, I think you'd need around 30,000 kWh to break even. That's almost 4 years if you had 24/7 peak sunlight, which obviously doesn't exist. And likely close to double that given electricity prices elsewhere in the country. 

But I think it's a cool concept if they can bring prices down and improve efficiency over time.
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« Reply #2409 on: January 14, 2025, 10:39:48 AM »
lots O EVs in the bay area, not as many as I expected
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« Reply #2410 on: February 19, 2025, 11:17:34 AM »
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« Reply #2411 on: February 20, 2025, 12:27:03 PM »
I was musing a bit about traffic in Paris, I saw a fair number of hybrids, and very few EVs, and Diesels seem to have disappeared (though I couldn't tell by looking often as not).  I know Norway has gone big time to EVs, I don't think France has (yet).  I also was thinking the French average car is larger than it was ca. 2008 when I made my first visit.  There are a fair number of small "CUVs" (hybrids) out there, not nearly as many cars that are tiny.

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« Reply #2412 on: February 20, 2025, 12:34:55 PM »
Yeah cars have definitely grown over there, ever since my first trip in 1995.  Though I'm not sure how, I don't think the streets or parking spots are any bigger.  My first rental car was a Ford Mondeo which was the same as a Ford Tempo here in the US.  Small car for the US, right?  Over there it was massive.  I couldn't park it anywhere inside the cities, it was only good for the parking lots in the hotels and business parks out in the suburbs.  But I was making regular trips into the cities and country villages, so I had to trade it in for a much smaller little hatchback Citroen ZX, which was still pretty large but manageable.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #2413 on: February 21, 2025, 01:27:14 PM »
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« Reply #2414 on: March 01, 2025, 10:24:08 AM »
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« Reply #2415 on: March 09, 2025, 08:35:53 AM »
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« Reply #2416 on: March 09, 2025, 08:38:56 AM »
My take on EVs:

1.  Early adopters jumped in, early, and made the market seem pretty strong.
2.  Various governments came up with various mandates in the near future.
3.  Nearly every car company announced pretty aggressive moves to transition to EVs.
4.  The market got saturated, and those companies announced cut backs/pauses.
5.  Regular consumers have not been convinced, some no doubt waiting for issues to be corrected ($$$, range, charging time and expense), some just not interested for other reasons.

Sales are still growing of course, but not as fast as many expected, so there is a glut.  It all sounded good, sort of, 5 years ago or so.
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« Reply #2417 on: March 09, 2025, 10:55:30 AM »
Honestly, I think a huge portion of it, and this is what the Motor Trend article that you posted is...

$$$$$$$

A BEV comparable in trim/etc to an ICEV is not comparable in cost. 

A Hyundai Tucson and a Hyundai Ioniq 5 are relatively comparable. The Tucson MSRP starts at $28K, and the Ioniq 5 at $42K. The same is true for the Elantra ($21K) vs Ioniq 6 ($37K).

The lowest-end F150 SuperCrew starts at $43K. According to the Ford web site, the Lightning starts at $62K. 

The price not only limits the market of potential buyers, but buyers know you can get more for your money with ICEV.  
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« Reply #2418 on: March 09, 2025, 10:56:28 AM »
As per your wider point about all the doom & gloom about EVs, you're entirely right. The market is growing, but manufacturers built for a growth rate that didn't materialize, and now the BEV market is in oversupply. 
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« Reply #2419 on: March 10, 2025, 11:10:06 AM »
It's OK For EVs To Be 'Worse' Than Gas Cars
It's OK For EVs To Be 'Worse' Than Gas Cars

Not sure I agree with their premise. I do agree that trying to shoehorn EV batteries into carmakers' premier heaviest vehicles (large SUVs, pickups) is probably a difficult sale. However I think the author doesn't seem to understand that 1) Americans don't like buying little econoboxes, and 2) the problem with trying to make even a little econobox with 250+ mile range is that the battery makes it a little box, sans econo. 

I think carmakers are trying to get "EV" into their most expensive big vehicle [and/or luxury] platforms because that's where the adder of the EV battery is the smallest percentage cost adder, and where the buyers are more affluent and can more easily handle the added upfront cost of BEV. 

Ultimately the battery costs have to keep coming down. 
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« Reply #2420 on: March 10, 2025, 11:21:22 AM »
It's OK For EVs To Be 'Worse' Than Gas Cars

but, not at a much higher price
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« Reply #2421 on: March 10, 2025, 11:33:19 AM »
I've mentioned before that an EV light duty truck for a plumbing company or a delivery van could make sense.  There are applications where range is more or less irrelevant, as is charging time.  We have about 6-8 EVs in our building (125 units).  They do have to charge at the two place charging site in the property if they don't go to Kroger or elsewhere.
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