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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1932 on: June 24, 2024, 03:06:40 PM »
My truck has a 29 gal tank and I hate the thought of dropping $100 or more to fill it. So when it gets to 1/2 tank, I figure that $50-60 doesn't hurt as bad. ~???
My boat holds 90 gallons. The old one held 220.

That's an ouch.

Last fill a couple weeks ago took 60 gallons. $240.00. That's gas at their cost because we are members (we store with them).
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« Reply #1933 on: June 24, 2024, 03:15:35 PM »
19 gallons was getting me 550 miles on the highway.
yup, I get over 500 miles on 18 gallons - about 28 mpg
I get about 400 in the Vette at 22mpg

21.4 for the first 2,000 miles in the Vette.
I'm OK with that because they aren't highway miles and I put my foot down every once in a while.
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« Reply #1934 on: June 24, 2024, 05:22:06 PM »
I think I get about 22 on the highway in the Flex. Usually around town closer to maybe 18. 

Not sure what I get in the lifted, topless, rolling brick of a Jeep. Not sure I give a crap either :57:

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« Reply #1935 on: June 24, 2024, 05:35:34 PM »


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« Reply #1936 on: June 24, 2024, 05:51:29 PM »
Well, you know that cows evolved for speed. Hunting grass on the high plains isn't for the slow!

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« Reply #1937 on: June 24, 2024, 05:54:18 PM »
I'm pretty sure ancient "cows" were not like cows today.  


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« Reply #1938 on: June 24, 2024, 06:03:51 PM »
I'm pretty sure ancient "cows" were not like cows today. 


Looks like a more ravenous, bloodthirsty, beast than anything since the velociraptor. 

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« Reply #1939 on: June 24, 2024, 11:56:04 PM »
Sorry, like Badge I rarely watch videos. I prefer to consume written content. I also saw the "clickbait" title and it was a bit of a turnoff. I usually try to stay away from anything with a clickbait title.

I just watched that video and it was a well-done explainer on solid state batteries. So thank you for posting and for following up to draw attention to it. Per your comment, in a way it is "old news" because people who follow the EV market know that solid state batteries carry enormous promise. But as the video points out, they currently don't have the technological or manufacturing capability to be a better solution than lithium ion. There are a LOT of startups and other companies, beyond Toyota, that are trying to crack that nut. If they are successful, it could make a major improvement in the BEV value proposition and thus adoption.

That said, the fact is that Toyota is seen in public as being "behind" in BEV, opting to spend their time with hybrids. So I can look at all the attention that Toyota specifically is giving to solid state batteries in press releases and public materials two ways:

  • Trusting: Toyota is a very smart company with long-range plans. They see a BEV future but they believe that the short-term lithium ion technology is a dead end and that the future market will be dominated by solid state. So they have been biding their time supplying the market with ICEV and hybrid vehicles where there is a known, viable, and profitable, market that they excel in. All while in the background spending R&D funds on where they see the BEV market actually hitting a true transition point. I.e. they decided not to skate to where the puck is, they're skating to where it's going.
  • Cynical: Toyota has been seen--rightly so--as behind in BEV development. Because they ARE behind, and they know it. They realize that being behind is a market risk, but by pointing to a solid state future they can both act like they're ahead on future tech, while also fomenting FUD that the current crop of lithium-ion based BEVs are "short term tech". And it's easy to do that, because all it takes is some press releases and marketing collateral, even if they end up missing the mark and solid state batteries come out 2, 5, or 10 years later than projected. It's a low-cost way to protect their reputation while steering customers to ICEV, conventional hybrid, and PHEV, which they have available to sell today.

Personally, I've learned over the last couple of decades been deep in the world of data storage technology not to be all that trusting of press releases that don't accompany actual products. There are a lot of cool technologies that are being worked on in labs and have the potential to revolutionize data storage; but getting it out of the lab and actually scaling it is a lot harder.

I see solid state batteries for electric vehicles in this category. The promise is there, but the products are not. When we actually see companies delivering on that promise, I'll sit up and take notice.
Very glad to know that I’m not the only one who prefers the written word over videos. 

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« Reply #1940 on: June 25, 2024, 08:06:56 AM »
I can't believe 12,000 people bought this thing.

Tesla recalls nearly 12,000 Cybertruck electric pickup trucks (msn.com)
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« Reply #1942 on: June 27, 2024, 07:55:30 AM »
Prospect of low-priced Chinese EVs reaching US from Mexico poses threat to automakers

https://apnews.com/article/china-vehicles-mexico-evs-automakers-tariffs-f526c5e52b95b624bb4b15d2038e289a

The trade deal that Beijing could potentially exploit — the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement — was negotiated by the Trump administration and enacted in 2020. Its rules could let Chinese autos assembled in Mexico enter the United States, either duty-free or at a nominal 2.5% tariff rate. Either way, China could sell its EVs well below typical U.S. prices.



China has so far taken a daunting lead. It accounted for nearly 62% of the 10.4 million battery-powered EVs that were produced worldwide last year. The United States, at No. 2, made about 1 million — less than 10% of the total, according to the consulting and analysis firm GlobalData.

In achieving technological breakthroughs while holding down costs, Chinese automakers have made remarkable strides. China’s BYD last year introduced a small EV called the Seagull that sells for just $12,000 in China ($21,000 for a version sold in some Latin American countries). Considered a marvel of engineering efficiency, its lightweight design allows the Seagull to go farther per charge on a smaller battery. BYD has said it’s considering building a factory in Mexico — but only for the Mexican market.


Critics note that BYD and other Chinese EV makers have achieved their cost efficiencies thanks to heavy government subsidies. Beijing spent 953 billion Chinese renminbi (more than $130 billion at current exchange rates) on EVs and other green vehicles from 2009 through 2021, according to researchers at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
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« Reply #1943 on: June 27, 2024, 07:57:23 AM »
F China. They can suck on this, along with all the fools promoting EV's here.

Nearly half of American EV owners want to switch back to gas-powered vehicle, McKinsey data shows (msn.com)
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« Reply #1944 on: June 27, 2024, 08:02:22 AM »
Of the folks who bought EVs and now want out of them, I wonder how many live in apartments or condos and discovered the charging cost issue I note.

I suspect the ideal customer for an EV is a two car household owning or living in a home where they can charge, and the second car, the EV, is basically an urban vehicle so Dad can get to work and back, and a few other chores etc.  The other car would be a Chevy Subdivision for the Rugrats and Mom.


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« Reply #1945 on: June 28, 2024, 09:36:35 AM »
Nearly half of American EV owners want to switch back to gas-powered vehicle, McKinsey data shows (ktvu.com)

The biggest reason EV owners cited for wanting to return to owning a gas-powered vehicle was the lack of available charging infrastructure (35%); the second-highest reason cited was that the total cost of owning an EV was too high (34%). Nearly 1 in 3, 32%, said their driving patterns on long-distance trips were affected too much due to having an EV.

I would love to see a breakout by folks who live in a single family vs apartment dwellers.  I saw a new EV here, making about 6 I think.  I have not spoken with any owners of them.  I see them plugged in outside, and I've read how much that company charges per kWhr, it's 48 cents per on average.  As I note often, even if we make it 40 cents and use the Tesla 3's 25 kWhr per hundred miles, the math isn't very attractive, to me.  It's about the same cost as my CUV.  At 48 cents, it's worse.

 

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