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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1848 on: June 10, 2024, 08:36:18 AM »
well, if the EV mandate allows non EVs like the hybrids, then it can happen
Not regular hybrids, just PHEVs, which as I've noted, are decent options anyway in CA.  And PHEVs can be "gamed" of course.

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« Reply #1849 on: June 10, 2024, 02:36:15 PM »
Figures used by the government for planning the buildout of charging infrastructure for electric vehicles in Germany are “massively” overestimating the actual need for new charging points, said energy industry lobby group BDEW.

The head of BDEW  Kerstine Andreae said that the plans far exceed demand and that it could have unnecessary economic impacts on grid operators.

“[The government’s plans are] oversized and will only be possible with subsidies or by imposing uneconomical supply quotas,” Andreae said in reaction to a report from the National Coordination Board for Charging Infrastructure, which was presented by the transport ministry.


The report said the need for charging points is more than 40 percent higher than what is currently planned by 2030 to comply with the EU’s alternative fuel infrastructure regulation (AFIR), meaning an additional capacity of about 8 gigawatts.

“It is simply not profitable to build charging points that in the end are hardly being used,” Andreae argued, adding further costs could arise for grid operators who must factor in the transport ministry’s forecast demand in their planning.

Moreover, the transport ministry’s report trimmed down the target of having 15 million EVs on the road by 2030 to 13.4 million.

“Instead of taking measures to reach the target, it is now being put into question,” Andreae said. This would further reduce the market potential for charging infrastructure operators and continue to stall progress in the transport sector’s emission reductions, she added. “We urgently need more affordable EV models to reach the target.”


The availability of sufficient charging infrastructure is regarded as one of the key requirements for ensuring a comprehensive roll-out of electric vehicles, whose sales in Germany have suffered from last year’s subsidy cuts.

Grid regulators have warned that a fast adoption of EVs could lead to regional grid overload, triggering a debate about forced throttling of power supply for e-car owners during demand peaks.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1851 on: June 11, 2024, 10:02:29 AM »
I'm fairly sure the political leanings of all EV owners in the US is pretty far Left today (not hard left, just left of center, "liberal" as it were).  Folks "right of center" might well be eschewing EVs mostly based on their political views and misinformation (and some sound information).  You could find two families out there with similar needs and finances, and one might buy an EV and the other wouldn't want any of it at all, purely based on politics.

I think it unfortunate that some base purchase decisions on politics rather than a sound evaluation of the products.

(I didn't buy an EV for what I view as sound evaluations.)

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« Reply #1852 on: June 11, 2024, 10:07:36 AM »
It's not about politics at all for us. An EV simply makes no sense for us.
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« Reply #1853 on: June 11, 2024, 10:24:33 AM »
I agree, that is the case for many of course, but I get a sense it is becoming very political now.  A conservative doesn't want an EV because he or she thinks it's a liberal thing, and vice versa.  I just find this point of view to be ... well, poorly informed and illogical.

And I think it's fairly widely spread.  

What percentage of Trump supporters own an EV?  Take the subset for whom it would make sense, at least a PHEV.  I bet the percentage is under 2% of that group.

As I've noted before, if you own your own home and have two vehicles, using one primarily to get to work, an EV may make sense, like a Bolt, in California.  I'd personally go for a PHEV even then.

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« Reply #1854 on: June 11, 2024, 10:35:04 AM »
I think it unfortunate that some base purchase decisions on politics rather than a sound evaluation of the products.
some of those folks don't think they can afford housing
Some think McDonalds is too expensive
some of those folks are relying on SS in retirement
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« Reply #1855 on: June 11, 2024, 11:46:17 AM »
EVs are a new technology, going up against over 100 years of establishment.  I think some of the resistance against it is probably political, but I think most of it is just your average every-day mistrust of new technologies and fear of the unknown.

As the technology becomes more prevalent and more familiar, a lot of folks will learn more about it, and eventually choose to adopt it.

From what I've witnessed, the political aspect results primarily from some of the heavy-handed political pressure for people to adopt it when it's either not suitable to their use cases, or they still mistrust it for normal reasons.  That kind of force can easily turn people against an idea even if it might be a good one.

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« Reply #1856 on: June 11, 2024, 11:50:40 AM »
word of mouth advertising is probably the most powerful

if your friend or family member or co-worker buys an EV and really likes it and explains it to someone, it's more likely to be effective

just not enuff of them on the road for that yet
and the number that are on the road are in the hands of a subset of tech geeks and left leaning folks that would only influence their circles
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1857 on: June 11, 2024, 01:07:38 PM »
Saw a polished Cybertruck yesterday. Didn't make it any less hideous. In fact, it made the hideousness stand out even more. 

Sadly couldn't get a picture. 

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« Reply #1858 on: June 11, 2024, 01:10:28 PM »
I'm not sad
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1859 on: June 11, 2024, 02:00:57 PM »
Quick check on the internet shows this is a thing, several folks have done it, apparently.



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« Reply #1860 on: June 11, 2024, 02:07:26 PM »
Quick check on the internet shows this is a thing, several folks have done it, apparently.

Yeah, I've heard about it, but hadn't encountered one in the wild yet. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1861 on: June 11, 2024, 02:08:47 PM »
Who the F would buy that? Jeez.
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