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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1722 on: May 23, 2024, 06:18:36 PM »
hah, I've heard of EV owners up here in the great white north wearing coats, gloves, and caps to extend their range in cold weather

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« Reply #1723 on: May 24, 2024, 02:37:21 AM »
@Gigem 110V is only truly suitable for PHEV. BEV really needs a 220V L2 charger for most people. 
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« Reply #1724 on: May 24, 2024, 06:48:47 AM »
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1725 on: May 24, 2024, 07:55:25 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on May 24, 2024, 02:37:21 AM
@Gigem 110V is only truly suitable for PHEV. BEV really needs a 220V L2 charger for most people.
My FIL only charges his BEV ( Chevy Bolt) via a 110v plug. 
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« Reply #1726 on: May 25, 2024, 02:02:24 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on May 24, 2024, 07:55:25 PM
My FIL only charges his BEV ( Chevy Bolt) via a 110v plug.
How much does he drive on a weekly basis? If it's low enough, you can do 110V in a BEV. I think "most" BEV owners would prefer installing a 220V charger if for no other reason than never worrying about range anxiety on a heavy driving week. 
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« Reply #1727 on: May 25, 2024, 07:21:17 AM »
He doesn’t drive anymore, but when he did I’d say he probably drove about 100-200 miles per week. He’d just plug it in every 2-3 days and let it charge overnight. Sometimes he would leave it plugged in for 1-2 days at a time. He was under the mistaken belief that if he charged it at L2 it would degrade the battery. 
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1728 on: May 25, 2024, 07:28:53 AM »
At 3-4 miles of range per hour at 110v, he probably was fine.  The Bolt has a fair bit of range.  He could drive an entire week on a single charge easily, and then leave it plugged in for 2-3 days and be fully recharged.  

A PHEV should do fine on 110v.  

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« Reply #1729 on: May 25, 2024, 07:35:48 AM »
My Benz does fantastic on 12 volts.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1730 on: May 26, 2024, 09:53:16 AM »
Tesla Owners Get Only 64% Of EPA Range After Just Three Years: Study (Updated) (insideevs.com)

And EPA estimated range is also optimistic.  This is sounds pretty bad, awful really, but it isn't the whole  truth.



It's important to point out that the Teslas observed in Recurrent's study never actually appear to hit the advertised EPA range. Even at 0 miles, the cars only achieve between approximately 70% and 72.5% of their advertised EPA range. That means a zero-mile 2023 Tesla Model 3 Performance, rated by the EPA as having 315 miles of range, may be observed by Recurrent as achieving around 230 miles on a single charge based on the above charts.


This isn't a problem unique to Tesla. As Recurrent says, "The basic EPA testing protocol gets it wrong for all EVs." It doesn't factor in temperature changes or driving above 60 miles per hour, plus it allows for manufacturer adjustments.
The relevant factor to consider here is the delta between the range achieved by a new car with a fresh battery and how much range it still has after three years, agnostic of overall vehicle mileage as this point isn't plotted in the above charts. This figure appears to be between 6% and 8.5% before leveling off at the three-year mark—not too shabby, if you ask us.

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« Reply #1731 on: May 26, 2024, 09:57:57 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 26, 2024, 09:53:16 AM
but it isn't the whole  truth.
Won't stop some people who were already anti-EV from making the claim that the battery degrades by 1/3 in the first 3 years, because they only read the clickbait headline and didn't read the article. 
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1732 on: May 26, 2024, 10:04:22 AM »
I read it that way at first, and thought "This isn't consistent with other studies", so I read the whole thing.  And yes, it will get posted around for effect.

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« Reply #1733 on: May 26, 2024, 10:17:25 AM »
The $35,000 Kia EV3 Is The Electric Car America Has Been Waiting For (insideevs.com)

But it’s not all sunshine and rainbows, folks. The Volvo EX30, another promising $35,000 entrant, was supposed to hit U.S. shores this year. President Joe Biden’s new tariffs on Chinese EVs could dash those plans, as the EX30 is built in China. Not to mention, those tariffs will keep out inexpensive Chinese offerings like the BYD Seagull, which will be sold in Europe for under $21,500. 
For years, people expected industry leader Tesla to come out with an entry-level EV below the Model 3. Those plans have been all over the place lately, but last we checked a cheaper Tesla is planned for next year sometime. We’ll have to see how that pans out. 
We won't know precisely how good a deal the EV3 is until we learn more about its EPA-estimated range and pricing. On paper, the baby EV seems to be a standout option for people who want a small, appealing electric crossover that doesn’t break the bank. And it once again solidifies Kia and parent company Hyundai as the carmakers to watch during the EV transition.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1734 on: May 26, 2024, 10:19:23 AM »
This Kia looks to be about the size of my Tucson.  At $35 K, it probably lacks some of the features the Tucson has, but OK fine.  The size and cost look to be about right, especially if the $7500 credit could be applied by leasing it.  I wonder how much leasing will be.  A three year old EV might well lack appeal.
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« Reply #1735 on: May 27, 2024, 07:18:27 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 26, 2024, 10:19:23 AM
This Kia looks to be about the size of my Tucson.  At $35 K, it probably lacks some of the features the Tucson has, but OK fine.  The size and cost look to be about right, especially if the $7500 credit could be applied by leasing it.  I wonder how much leasing will be.  A three year old EV might well lack appeal.
Cap cost reduction. No chance.
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