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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #294 on: July 29, 2026, 10:34:54 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 29, 2026, 12:41:47 AM
I could literally chalk up any unethical (not illegal) money-making scheme to unfettered capitalism and be right.

So is the claim it can only be chalked up to unfettered capitalism?

If so, that's completely indefensible, empirically false, and you're talking out of your ass.  The problems you routinely point to are greed problems, not capitalism problems, and I assure you they exist in socialist, communist, and any other economies you can go through in history.  

If not, then you have no point in bringing capitalism into this and are just taking another random, pointless, silly shot at a system that has reduced poverty on a scale never seen in world history and which isn't responsible for most of the things you complain about.  
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #295 on: July 29, 2026, 10:47:35 AM »
I was stirrin the pot!
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #296 on: July 29, 2026, 11:19:59 AM »
Nice work.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #297 on: July 29, 2026, 12:09:29 PM »
I don't think any country has "unfettered capitalism" any more than any country has "pure" socialism, whatever that might be.  The Nordic countries all claim to have free markets, and largely they do.  Even Cuba has a smattering of privately owned stores.

Greed is a human condition, it's not new, it isn't worse now than in 1800.  It can be negative or positive, I didn't work because I enjoyed the work, I worked because of my greed.   
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #298 on: July 30, 2026, 04:02:15 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on July 29, 2026, 10:34:54 AM
So is the claim it can only be chalked up to unfettered capitalism?

If so, that's completely indefensible, empirically false, and you're talking out of your ass.  The problems you routinely point to are greed problems, not capitalism problems, and I assure you they exist in socialist, communist, and any other economies you can go through in history. 

If not, then you have no point in bringing capitalism into this and are just taking another random, pointless, silly shot at a system that has reduced poverty on a scale never seen in world history and which isn't responsible for most of the things you complain about. 
Greed and unfettered capitalism aren't synonyms now?  You sure 'bout that?  Unfettered capitalism is predatory and weaponized.  If you don't see that, I can't help you.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #299 on: July 30, 2026, 04:04:52 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 29, 2026, 12:09:29 PM

Greed is a human condition, it's not new, it isn't worse now than in 1800.  It can be negative or positive, I didn't work because I enjoyed the work, I worked because of my greed. 
False.
The 'winners' are a smaller % and make more money.  The 'losers' are much, MUCH more numerous and are RELATIVELY worse off than the losers back then.
And if you're going to semantics your way out of greed isn't worse now, cool, don't care, because the weaponization of greed is much worse now.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #300 on: July 30, 2026, 04:07:33 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 29, 2026, 01:31:40 AM
Yes.. Companies are literally spending $600-700B investing in the hardware that makes AI possible this year, hoping for an ROI.

And you're whining that you want it free and unlimited.
Yes, they're spending money they don't have (yet?) and their valuations are so many times earnings (if any at all) that it's very possible going to cost a lot of people a lot of money.  A few will benefit, as they always do, and everyone else can wither and die.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #301 on: July 30, 2026, 09:44:07 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 30, 2026, 04:02:15 AM
Greed and unfettered capitalism aren't synonyms now?  You sure 'bout that?  Unfettered capitalism is predatory and weaponized.  If you don't see that, I can't help you.

I'm absolutely sure.  

Unfettered capitalism is an economic system.  It's morally neutral, and subject to great greed, or great altruism, or anything in between.  Greed is a personal trait or motivation, and defined as "excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions."  

You have committed a category error.  If you complain about peoples' personal traits and motivations, I'm listening.  But complaining about the mechanism available to them, which is also available to people with much nobler aspirations, presumably such as yourself?  Makes no sense.  

And I assume you can describe the economic system you'd like people to not be greedy in.  I'm genuinely interested, and extra points for historical examples of it being implemented and leading to better outcomes than we currently have.  
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #302 on: July 30, 2026, 09:44:48 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 30, 2026, 04:02:15 AM
Greed and unfettered capitalism aren't synonyms now?  You sure 'bout that?  Unfettered capitalism is predatory and weaponized.  If you don't see that, I can't help you.
No. They're not. There's greed in Cuba and North Korea. There's greed in Sweden and Norway. There was greed going back throughout history. 

As CD says, greed is part of the human condition. Greed is inherent in the business owners who are trying to profit from selling goods and services as well as the lowly workers who are selling their labor for money. The owner wants more money; so does the worker. 

What capitalism actually does is harnesses greed and allows for people to satisfy their greed by producing products and services for other people and selling those products and services at a profit, in the interest of getting rich. Instead of the greedy and powerful stealing from others via brute force, they have to offer something of value in order for people to willingly part with their money.  

Is capitalism perfect? Of course not. Because capitalism is human, and humans aren't perfect. 

But the paradox of this world is that the system, capitalism, where everyone is ostensibly looking out for themselves, has historically outperformed literally every alternative, including systems like socialism/communism where we're all supposed to be in it together. 
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« Reply #303 on: July 30, 2026, 09:48:48 AM »
Ton of greed in communism.   Look no further than the concentration of power and wealth within the CCP.  Or the Politburo.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #304 on: July 30, 2026, 10:00:04 AM »
The US once had "unfettered capitalism", ca. 1890, and we had poisons in products, Robber Barons, monopolies ... the System reacted to add in some fetters.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #305 on: July 30, 2026, 10:01:53 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 30, 2026, 09:48:48 AM
Ton of greed in communism.  Look no further than the concentration of power and wealth within the CCP.  Or the Politburo.


I was gonna say, if he thinks the winners are a small % and the losers are worse off than they used to be here......

....get a load of the countries with socialism, communism, feudalism.....
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #306 on: July 30, 2026, 01:13:08 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 30, 2026, 10:00:04 AM
The US once had "unfettered capitalism", ca. 1890, and we had poisons in products, Robber Barons, monopolies ... the System reacted to add in some fetters.


Rockefeller, JP Morgan and Carnegie come to mind, among others.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #307 on: July 30, 2026, 02:41:47 PM »
There aren't many real socialist economies left in the world, none are doing at all well.  Folks say "Sweden", but Swedes claim they have a free market economy (mostly).

France has a bit of socialism, the government does own parts of some larger companies, I think Airbus,  Michelin us public.  My wife worked for Saffron which is a very large French outfit.  I view socialism largely as where larger businesses are owned by the government.
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