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Mdot21

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #252 on: November 11, 2021, 10:25:50 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on November 11, 2021, 10:22:30 PM
Texas A&M remains the SEC's revenue king, and the conference continued to reign supreme over college sports' financial arms race during the 2018-19 fiscal year. The Aggies' $212.7 million in total operating revenue for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2019, ranked second nationally behind Texas ($223.9 million).Jul 16, 2020



How SEC athletic departments ranked in total revenue for 2018-19 fiscal year - Knoxville News Sentinel
This is revenue from the entire athletic department- baseball, basketball, women’s who gives a shit sports- not from the football programs alone- which is the list I posted initially.

But yeah I guess your point stands- A&M AD has plenty of money to play around with.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #253 on: November 11, 2021, 10:32:40 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 11, 2021, 04:28:05 PM
You must have missed all the "FSU is a dumpster fire behind the scenes" stories.
I guess I did miss those stories. 

Florida State should be way better than they are. They play in a conference that is tissue paper soft in the ACC, any elite coach with a pulse could dominate that conference yearly almost right away. 

And they are large state school with great tradition of winning in the most football talent rich state in the US- and that state also borders Georgia, a state that produces a ton of high quality football talent. They also border Alabama and very near to Mississippi and Louisiana, three states that produce very high amount of quality high school football talent per capita. Not to mention Florida is very near the Carolinas- which as of recently have been producing more and more high quality talent. 

FSU should be a dominant program. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #254 on: November 11, 2021, 10:39:53 PM »
I feel the same way

FSU has no reason to suck
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #255 on: November 11, 2021, 11:10:54 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 11, 2021, 10:32:40 PM
I guess I did miss those stories.

Florida State should be way better than they are. They play in a conference that is tissue paper soft in the ACC, any elite coach with a pulse could dominate that conference yearly almost right away.

And they are large state school with great tradition of winning in the most football talent rich state in the US- and that state also borders Georgia, a state that produces a ton of high quality football talent. They also border Alabama and very near to Mississippi and Louisiana, three states that produce very high amount of quality high school football talent per capita. Not to mention Florida is very near the Carolinas- which as of recently have been producing more and more high quality talent.

FSU should be a dominant program.
I once knew a lot about football, 50 years ago. Do you think I should apply?
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« Reply #256 on: November 11, 2021, 11:11:52 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on November 11, 2021, 11:10:54 PM
I once knew a lot about football, 50 years ago. Do you think I should apply?
You can’t be any worse than the coach they have right now. I say go for it.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #257 on: November 11, 2021, 11:13:21 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on November 11, 2021, 12:44:16 PM
Then it’s about money. Can LSU outbid us ?
Money, opportunity, general feel. 

Like, he left FSU as much as anything because he ran it into a bad spot, and someone offered all the money and resources to let him get a fresh start and not have to pull out of that ditch. Those fresh starts are often worth a lot (plus money). 

His A&M spot is interesting. He's delivered two of the pieces that get A&M to where it wants to be, but each has a hint of fool's gold to it. Which doesn't matter if you're Wisconsin or something, but at some point matters to a team that thinks its as good as it does (unless A&M expectations are lower than I think)
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #258 on: November 11, 2021, 11:23:31 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 11, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
Tucker is legit.

MSU was a dumpster fire when he took that thing over. Year one he beats Michigan in their own house. Year 2 he beats Michigan again and has a Heisman candidate RB and his team in the top 10.

He would kick ass and take names at LSU.
I agree, and if I thought he wanted to be a college football lifer I would have been more nervous. But I think jumping to LSU probably set him back getting an NFL job. If he can sustain eight or nine win seasons at MSU, he can likely get an NFL job whenever he wants
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #259 on: November 11, 2021, 11:24:59 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 11, 2021, 10:25:50 PM
This is revenue from the entire athletic department- baseball, basketball, women’s who gives a shit sports- not from the football programs alone- which is the list I posted initially.

But yeah I guess your point stands- A&M AD has plenty of money to play around with.
I don’t know how they count it from what sports but I feel pretty confident that the vast majority of it comes from football, just like all the other schools. 

Either way we ought to be able to outbid LSU if it comes down to it. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #260 on: November 11, 2021, 11:38:01 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on November 11, 2021, 11:13:21 PM
Money, opportunity, general feel.

Like, he left FSU as much as anything because he ran it into a bad spot, and someone offered all the money and resources to let him get a fresh start and not have to pull out of that ditch. Those fresh starts are often worth a lot (plus money).

His A&M spot is interesting. He's delivered two of the pieces that get A&M to where it wants to be, but each has a hint of fool's gold to it. Which doesn't matter if you're Wisconsin or something, but at some point matters to a team that thinks its as good as it does (unless A&M expectations are lower than I think)
He left FSU with a 6-6 record his final season with several close losses. Hardly a dumpster fire. You can’t lay blame on Fisher for the last 4 years of piss poor football. 

Fools gold being a championship winning coach?  I don’t really follow you. what should we expect from a coach?  We’ve played well, beaten a number one team, probably will play in a NY6 bowl. Winning big at A&M is hard. Most of our fans understand this. 

Fishers A&M teams have looked as good as any at A&M since the early 90’s. He’s 3-0 in bowls with an Orange bowl win. We’ve finished with our best ranking in 80 years. I can assure you our fans are hungry to win. Expectations are sky high, but grounded in the fact that our record over the last 20 years is piss poor. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #261 on: November 12, 2021, 12:04:45 AM »
Fisher supported Jamies Winston when he was accused of sexual abuse, rather than maintaining a neutral stance and allowing the investigatory process play out. It turned out okay for Fisher, but it really was a mistake to stand by your player before an investigation concluded. That could have played out terribly, and put Fisher in a hole, that he could not have recovered from. FSU ended up almost $1M to the complaining witness after Winston became a pro. I don't know how much Winston paid. 
If you are the head coach you cannot take a position in favor of a player over a student without compelling facts. There were facts, but they came from Winston's roommates. This was not a gentile situation, at all. That said, otherwise I support the Seminoles. I don't support BS.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #262 on: November 12, 2021, 12:14:06 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on November 12, 2021, 12:04:45 AM
Fisher supported Jamies Winston when he was accused of sexual abuse, rather than maintaining a neutral stance and allowing the investigatory process play out. It turned out okay for Fisher, but it really was a mistake to stand by your player before an investigation concluded. That could have played out terribly, and put Fisher in a hole, that he could not have recovered from. FSU ended up almost $1M to the complaining witness after Winston became a pro. I don't know how much Winston paid.
If you are the head coach you cannot take a position in favor of a player over a student without compelling facts. There were facts, but they came from Winston's roommates. This was not a gentile situation, at all. That said, otherwise I support the Seminoles. I don't support BS.
Can’t say Fisher did anything any other coach wouldn’t do in supporting his star Heisman, #1 overall NFL draft pick QB.

When you’re like REALLY good at football- coaches tend to support you almost no matter what you do. Ray Lewis may have killed two guys- at the very worst he either murdered or was involved in assisting in a double murder- and at best he participated in covering up the murders- and dude was back on that field making tackles like a champ in no time. You can bet your asshole if he wasn’t one of the 5 or 6 greatest Linebackers in the history of football he wouldn’t have been back out on that field. If he was some average player named Ray Louis the Ravens would’ve cut his ass as soon as they found out he got arrested.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #263 on: November 12, 2021, 11:16:23 AM »
if the coach does his own quick investigation, as is always the case, and he truly believes his player is innocent, the coach should stand by the player.

BUT, coach has to be certain he has the facts correct and isn't being duped by the player and his friends because, it could end his career.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #264 on: November 14, 2021, 04:47:43 PM »
Sounds like Jimmy Lake getting the mercy blade at Washington. Washington, LSU, USC now open.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #265 on: November 14, 2021, 04:49:21 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 14, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Sounds like Jimmy Lake getting the mercy blade at Washington. Washington, LSU, USC now open.
Washington is a way better job than people realize. 

Wouldn't shock me to see Florida open up either if they shit the bed vs Missouri or Florida State. Mullen is hanging on by a thread there. 
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