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Topic: Champions week matchups

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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2020, 01:20:40 PM »
Yeah, that'd be my answer too if I were a Purdue fan.

Only an OSU fan can warp their brain around the specific hypothetical that I posited.
Fixed that for you :57:

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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2020, 01:21:18 PM »
I'd  rather have  a win over the Sooners back in the day or next season as opposed to a conference title this season

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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2020, 01:31:49 PM »
The Big Ten Conference plans to play all of it's Week 9 games on campus sites other than the 11 am championship game in Indianapolis at Lucas Oil Stadium.

Schools were notified on Wednesday morning of the plans.

The email said Big Ten home stadiums would be used for the Week 9 crossover games, and final match-ups may not be known until Monday.



The email to the schools also said there would be both Friday and Saturday games on Dec. 18 and Dec. 19.

There have been reports already that the league was looking to have two Friday games on Dec. 18 if things work out.

There has also been a strong public push by both Wisconsin and Minnesota to play each other on Week 9, which would force two teams from the East to square off as well.

There are still lots of unknowns about the Big Ten's Week 9, but the warmer weather pattern in the Midwest makes it much easier to stage these games outdoors, vs. paying the cost to rent multiple dome venues and traveling all 14 teams to neutral locations.

Temperatures in Lincoln are projected to be 46 degrees on Dec. 18-19 as we sit 10 days out.
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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2020, 02:17:14 PM »
Almost started a new thread but though it could go here. 

Boston College announced they will forego a bowl appearance.   The players have sacrificed so much- they need a break to recharge.   

I think we will see a lot of this.   
The socializing/ events at bowl games will be eliminated- why bother.  
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2020, 02:34:36 PM »
Most of the kids love the extra games and the coaches love the extra practices. Lord knows, the latter is really needed this year for most teams - particularly the B1G and PAC due to their garbage decisions.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2020, 03:03:21 PM »
Fixed that for you :57:

The more I think of it, the more adamant I am about my position. Since OSU had already clinched the division in that scenario, the only possible way that Michigan can play spoiler is to knock OSU out of the playoff picture. No way I am giving them that pleasure on top of bragging rights for a year just to beat Northwestern in Indianapolis, and go to the Pasadena consolation game.
I know the Playoffs are out of the question either way, so let Northwestern do the spoiling, and graduate another class with 4 gold pants.

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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2020, 03:12:08 PM »
Any title that doesn't include a win over Michigan is tainted. Even if you could guarantee me a NC we the a loss to Michigan, no way! I wouldn't even be able to enjoy it.

"OSU won the NC!"

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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2020, 03:44:06 PM »
Okay, bear with me for a moment while I venture out in the weeds with an absurd hypothetical. After all, this is a message board.

Let's say that THE GAME wasn't cancelled, but it is technically "meaningless" as OSU has already clinched a spot in the CCG.
The Football Gods then appear before you with good news and bad news.
The Bad News is that you are definitely going to go 1-1 in those two games, taking you out of the CFP equation.
The good news is that you get to pick which game you win and which game you lose.
Are you seriously trying to convince me that you would sign up for a loss in THE GAME, if it guaranteed you a victory over Northwestern in Indianapolis? Really?
This is actually a difficult call for me.  Ohio State is out of the NC picture either way so in terms of "things @medinabuckeye1 cares about" it is either:
  • Another tOSU win over Michigan, or
  • Another tOSU B1G title

I care about both and a lot of my titles issue relates to Michigan anyway.  

In the last few years we have caught Michigan on a bunch of metrics that @medinabuckeye1 cares about:
  • Record in tOSU/M LEAGUE games (ie, 1918 to present):  Ohio State finally caught Michigan with the 2014 win and now leads the tOSU/M LEAGUE game series by five games, 51-46-4.  
  • League titles since Ohio State joined the league:  Ohio State finally caught Michigan with the 2017 title and now leads by two (38-36) in titles since tOSU joined the league (1913).  
  • League titles since Michigan rejoined the league (ie, 1917-present):  Ohio State finally caught Michigan with the 2018 title and now leads by one (37-36) in league titles while both schools were members of the league.  

The only things left are to catch Michigan for the remainder of the leads that they built up back when they were a member of the (then) Western Conference and Ohio State was the equivalent of a modern MAC school (if that), specifically:
  • Michigan leads the overall series with Ohio State by seven games, 58-51-6.  Michigan's first seven wins (all of their remaining lead) were in 1897, 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1905, and 1906.  During this time (pre-1907) tOSU was a pathetic 0-7-1 against the Wolverines.  
  • Michigan leads in overall league titles by four, 42-38.  Michigan's first six titles were before Ohio State joined and before they dropped out.  Specifically, their first four titles (all of their remaining lead) were in 1898, 1901, 1902, and 1903.  

I want to see Ohio State catch Michigan in those last two metrics.  They need a net seven more wins over Michigan to catch them in the overall series and a net four more titles to catch them in titles.  Both of those appear to be possibly within reach.  Ohio State has won nine titles since Michiagan last won one and the Buckeyes have won eight straight and fourteen of the last 15 episodes of THE GAME.  

The difficulty, for me, of your hypothetical question from the football gods is that one of these goals would get closer while the other would get further away.  

At the end of the day, I'd rather catch them in league titles so I'd pick the league title.  When a Michigan fan points out their overall lead in the series I can simply congratulate them on wins that occurred in leather helmets long before WWI and remind them that Ohio State leads in league games and league titles.  
Absolutely. Sure, you're not in the CFP, but a Big Ten Championship and a trip to Rose Bowl are two things that will have larger echoes in the history books than beating Michigan in a meaningless THE GAME and then losing when it actually counts.

I realize that for OSU fans, "Big Ten Champion" is just assumed to be your birthright... But for those of us mere mortals, it's different.

If Purdue in a normal year was 7-1, had tiebreakers in the B1G West over Iowa and Wisconsin (who are both sitting at 6-2) and you offer me the same question: lose to Indiana and win the B1G CCG and go to the Rose Bowl, or beat Indiana before losing in the B1G CCG and not having a conference championship and going to a lesser bowl...

I'm taking the B1G title every damn year.
I agree with @bwarbiany , however:
Yeah, that'd be my answer too if I were a Purdue fan.

Only an OSU fan can wrap their brain around the specific hypothetical that I posited.
I concur that it would be an easier call if I were a Purdue fan.  

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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2020, 03:45:48 PM »
Any title that doesn't include a win over Michigan is tainted. Even if you could guarantee me a NC we the a loss to Michigan, no way! I wouldn't even be able to enjoy it.

"OSU won the NC!"

"Yeah, but Michigan won THE GAME."

"#@$+!!!!"
This I completely disagree with.  I'll take the NC every time and when some smart-mouthed Michigan fan spouts off about them having beaten tOSU, I'll just say "that is NATIONAL CHAMPION tOSU, don't forget it.  Also, does Michigan have any NC's that were televised?  In color?"  

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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2020, 04:08:37 PM »

Okay, bear with me for a moment while I venture out in the weeds with an absurd hypothetical. After all, this is a message board.

Let's say that THE GAME wasn't cancelled, but it is technically "meaningless" as OSU has already clinched a spot in the CCG.

The Football Gods then appear before you with good news and bad news.

The Bad News is that you are definitely going to go 1-1 in those two games, taking you out of the CFP equation.

The good news is that you get to pick which game you win and which game you lose.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that you would sign up for a loss in THE GAME, if it guaranteed you a victory over Northwestern in Indianapolis? Really?
As of like 2 years ago, a vast majority on this board said they'd rather win the Rose Bowl than the national freakin' championship.  Soooooo, there's that.
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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2020, 04:10:31 PM »
As of like 2 years ago, a vast majority on this board said they'd rather win the Rose Bowl than the national freakin' championship.  Soooooo, there's that.
Yeah, not me.  

Anyway, curious your take.  Consider the UF version of @Brutus Buckeye 's hypothetical.  You have two choices:
  • A loss to FSU, an SECCG win, no NC or
  • A win over FSU, an SECCG loss, no NC.  
Which do you pick?


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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2020, 04:12:26 PM »
Yeah, not me. 

Anyway, curious your take.  Consider the UF version of @Brutus Buckeye 's hypothetical.  You have two choices:
  • A loss to FSU, an SECCG win, no NC or
  • A win over FSU, an SECCG loss, no NC. 
Which do you pick?


Luckily, the Ole Ball Coach repeatedly laid it out for my brethren: 
the best thing is winning the national championsihp
the next-best thing is winning the SEC
and depending on how old you are, after that, it's beating FSU, UGA, or Tennessee
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Losing to FSU sucks so hard.  But if it's one time, one year, in a vacuum, with an SEC title (which automatically means in the scrum for the NC), I have to take it.  If FSU went on a run and it was a 4th straight loss or 5th straight, then I would flip-flop for sure.  
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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2020, 04:31:12 PM »
Luckily, the Ole Ball Coach repeatedly laid it out for my brethren: 
the best thing is winning the national championsihp
the next-best thing is winning the SEC
and depending on how old you are, after that, it's beating FSU, UGA, or Tennessee
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Losing to FSU sucks so hard.  But if it's one time, one year, in a vacuum, with an SEC title (which automatically means in the scrum for the NC), I have to take it.  If FSU went on a run and it was a 4th straight loss or 5th straight, then I would flip-flop for sure. 
In my hypothetical I specifically excluded the NC because I knew that otherwise that would bias you toward the SEC title.  So I think I know your answer but to clarify:

Assume that UF lost an OOC game and two league games so they are now 8-3 but they get the SEC-E slot in the CG based on everybody else being worse or tiebreakers.  Your team has two games remaining, FSU and the SECCG.  You only get to win one so you will finish 9-4 and not in the CFP discussion even if you win the SEC.  Simple choice:
  • 9-4 with a win over FSU, an SECCG loss, and no CFP, or
  • 9-4 with a loss to FSU, an SECCG win, and no CFP?

I absolutely get what you are saying about changing your answer if FSU had won four straight.  At the end of the Cooper era when tOSU had gone 2-10-1 against M over the previous 13 years I'd have DEFINITELY traded a league title for a win over Michigan but not now.  


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Re: Champions week matchups
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2020, 04:52:02 PM »
Almost started a new thread but though it could go here.

Boston College announced they will forego a bowl appearance.  The players have sacrificed so much- they need a break to recharge. 

I think we will see a lot of this. 
The socializing/ events at bowl games will be eliminated- why bother. 
I think it's ironic that LSU football self-imposes one-year bowl ban for 2020 season . If that is anything other than a PR move or them taking advantage of the COVID situation I would be shocked. They have to win their next two games just to reach .500. 

 

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