header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend

 (Read 2771 times)

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17718
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2021, 03:56:58 PM »
Josh probably feels that if Notre Dame was in the ACC with their only loss to Cincy, they'd have a conference champ game to add SOS and they'd also have a conference championship, which the committee says is worth something

of course, lip service by the committee doesn't always hold true

Yup,  If Oklahoma State were to win out, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the committee put ND in over them.

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18899
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2021, 04:04:28 PM »
Yup,  If Oklahoma State were to win out, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the committee put ND in over them.

That would be gross.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18899
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2021, 04:04:56 PM »
Uh, you going on about Cincy's schedule
Tell me how good their schedule is.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2021, 04:12:51 PM »
I'm surprised to see that Oklahoma State can play their way in.  They'd leapfrog ND, right?
I'm assuming they would.  This is where not having a CG can be a blessing or a curse.  It is a blessing if the 1-loss Oklahoma team loses the B12CG because then the B12's best is an 11-2 team and ND is sitting there at 11-1 but it is a curse if the 1-loss team wins the B12CG because that will be a quality win no matter how you slice it and that is why I assume that a 12-1 B12 Champion (either OU or OkSU) would leapfrog Notre Dame.  Honestly, I don't even see a credible argument for ND in that case.  Their loss to Cincy is debatable.  I know you agree with me on that but the committee has Cincy at #4 so you have to treat that as a "good" loss but OkSU's loss was to a decent ISU team and OU's loss was to #8 Baylor.  

Where ND would really look bad is in quality wins.  I think that their only win over a currently ranked team was over #14 UW but either OU or OkSU would have multiple wins over ranked teams if they get to 12-1.  Plus the committee supposedly gives a "bonus" for winning a conference which obviously ND can't do and the B12CG winner by definition will have done.  

Frankly I think that 11-1 ND vs 11-2 B12 Champion is a close call and I see no way the committee would put 11-1 ND over a 12-1 B12 Champion.  

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2021, 04:14:44 PM »
I think they'd be in as a 12-1 SEC champ, but not No. 1

Tech is pretty bad though, I think the odds there are quite low.
Agreed.  It is a crazy hypothetical but if it happened the tOSU/M winner would have first shot at #1 (by winning the B1GCG).  Georgia would simply drop to #2 and could actually end up #1 anyway if the B1G-W winner wins the B1GCG.  

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71627
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2021, 04:18:00 PM »
I'd like to see Oklahoma State get a shot, personally.  I'm "OK" if Cincy gets in (especially if the Dawgs get them first round).  After UGA and OSU I'm not that impressed with anyone, but Oklahoma State at 12-1 would be pretty impressive, to me.  

I'd leave ND out, I guess I changed my mind on them.

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2021, 04:21:38 PM »
They have three 3 point wins over:
VaTech
FSU
Toldeo
If they make the CFP I expect a repeat of the past.
Exactly:
  • 2020:  Bama 31, ND 14 in CFP semi-final - It wasn't that close.  ND scored a TD in the final minute against Bama's cheerleaders and mascot.  
  • 2018:  Clemson 30, ND 3 in CFP semi-final - 
  • 2012:  Bama 42, ND 14 in BCSNCG - It wasn't that close.  ND didn't score until late in the 3rd quarter down 35-0 and their second TD was half way through the fourth quarter also while trailing by 35 points.  


medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2021, 04:22:53 PM »
Your schedule isn't particularly relevant to how good you are? Are you claiming Alabama would magically suck if they played Cincinnati's schedule?
For about the millionth time, part of the problem is that Cincy wasn't particularly impressive against their crap opponents.  

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2021, 04:23:47 PM »
In the CFP so far we've had point differentials of:
  • 39 (semi)
  • 22 (championship)
  • 38 (semi)
  • 31 (semi)
  • 27 (semi)
  • 28 (championship)
  • 35 (semi)
  • 28 (championship)
So let's not argue that we're keeping Cinci out to protect them from a blowout or uncompetitive game.
If Cincy gets Georgia or Ohio State they'll trail by at least 39 at halftime.  

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71627
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2021, 04:27:20 PM »
OSU yes, UGA probably not that bad.

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8906
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2021, 04:27:51 PM »
Josh probably feels that if Notre Dame was in the ACC with their only loss to Cincy, they'd have a conference champ game to add SOS and they'd also have a conference championship, which the committee says is worth something

of course, lip service by the committee doesn't always hold true
I don't think the committee is flat out lying about a Conference Championship being worth something but it is hard to discern exactly how much it is worth because in the CFP era (with the exception of 2014 B12) all those Conference Championships came with a win over a pretty good team* in an extra game.  Thus, it is hard to tell if teams are getting elevated due to the win over the pretty good team or due to winning the Conference Championship because both happen at exactly the same time.  

MaximumSam

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 13106
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2021, 04:52:33 PM »
Tell me how good their schedule is.
It's great. A great great schedule.

MaximumSam

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 13106
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2021, 04:55:52 PM »
For about the millionth time, part of the problem is that Cincy wasn't particularly impressive against their crap opponents. 
They have two games within single digits, which is fewer than Ohio State.

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17718
  • Liked:
Re: CFP Rankings heading into Thanksgiving Weekend
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2021, 05:09:15 PM »
That would be gross.
I agree.

I still would pretty much expect it to happen.

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.