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Topic: #8 Ohio State 34, #7 Notre Dame 23 Post Game

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SFBadger96

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Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2025, 03:38:11 PM »
This discussion also points out the changes to our traditions that abandoning the bowl structure have lead to. In the old days, if you wanted to win the Rose Bowl (Sugar/Cotton), you probably also had to beat your rival. In rare circumstances you might get the Rose without beating the rival, but those were...rare. That's why the Michigan/Ohio State rivalry is such a big deal. 

For those of us commoners, the caclulus was different, but related. The Rose Bowl--while always the goal--wasn't something we were playing for year in and year out. So how to measure a successful season? Well, beat the Gophers and the Hawkeyes. Do those things, and even if you aren't in the Rose, it's still a year that feels pretty good. That probably won't change for the schools that aren't regularly competing for the CFP playoff. But for the Helmets? It might.

With 100 years of history, the Michigan/Ohio State rivalry won't change overnight. But the more that a team can survive the loss and still win the ultimate goal, the less importance the Game will have. It will always be important, just not as important.

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Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2025, 04:44:02 PM »
There is another factor, at least for season-ending rivalries like The Game that has diminished them, IMHO.  

What I am referring to here is the time before your next game.  Until the mid-1970's the BigTen had the RoseBowl only rule which meant that only one team from our league went to a bowl.  Consequently, The Game was the last game for at least one of the participants for about nine months.  Even if one of the two teams did go to the RoseBowl, The Game was still their last game for about six weeks.  

Even once the RoseBowl only rule was dropped and the Buckeyes and Wolverines were both generally playing in bowls every year, there was still a roughly six week gap between The Game and the next game.  

Now the CG is seven days after The Game so for a team that is in the CG, The Game has the same gap as a normal regular season game.  Then, with the expanded playoff, even though neither team was in the CG (due to the result), Ohio State's next game was the opening round CFP game against Tennessee three weeks after The Game.  

So the time to celebrate a win or stew over a loss before moving on to the next game has progressively dropped from almost a year in the early 1970's to roughly six weeks from then until the CCG to now three weeks or even just one week.  

Are Ohio State fans still stewing over the loss, sorta but not really.  The fanbase took this loss particularly hard which contributed to the lower than normal home attendance that allowed Tennessee fans to grab a substantial portion of the tickets for the first round CFP game.  Once that game got to 21-0, I think most Ohio State fans moved on to thinking about Oregon and then Texas and now Notre Dame.  If this were 1972 instead of 2024/5 the Ohio State fanbase would only be a little less than two out of nine months into stewing over the loss in The Game.  Instead, our team has played three games since then and is about to play another one . . . for a National Championship.  

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Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2025, 11:01:34 PM »
There were plenty of great OSU HC's that got canned because of their record against Michigan. 

Francis Schmidt invented modern OSU football. Script Ohio, female cheerleaders, swapping Illinois for Michigan for the season ending rivalry, the inventor of the gold pants tradition with the infamous quote, the red jersey with the white numbers and the grey stripe on the sleeve, and so on and so forth. He won his first four Michigan games, which was their greatest stretch of pre-Woody success in the history of the rivalry, but then he dropped his next three games against the Wolverines and got canned.

The guy before Woody was named Wes Fesler. He was a legendary OSU player under Paul Brown. He coached OSU for five seasons, he had an innovative offense, he produced a Heisman winner in Vic Janowicz, he won a Rose Bowl and an outright Big Ten title in 1949, but he was 0-4-1 against Michigan so he got canned. 

John Cooper is in the college football hall of fame as a HC... 

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Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2025, 11:10:38 PM »
So is Frank Solich
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Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2025, 11:15:58 PM »
    Some of this is simply because The Game has been the last game of the season for almost a century.  In 1996 if the Buckeyes had lost to Notre Dame in September and beaten Michigan in November there is a pretty good chance that they'd have won the NC. 

    Only because they wouldn't have played Florida.  :72:
    “The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #89 on: January 16, 2025, 11:32:19 PM »
    or Nebraska
    "Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #90 on: January 17, 2025, 11:07:03 AM »
    When I find that I'm being biased, I try to really listen to highly intelligent buckeyes to help shape my opinion to make sure it's fair. So i will defer to one of the most intelligent ones.



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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #91 on: January 17, 2025, 11:17:16 AM »




    Damn.  That invalidates every NC we claim.

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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #92 on: January 17, 2025, 11:50:19 AM »
    Ya but you beat Ohio St who beat Michigan so you're good
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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #94 on: January 17, 2025, 12:20:42 PM »

    Damn.  That invalidates every NC we claim.
    Maybe I can put your mind at ease and win you over to my thinking.

    There's only 2 teams that have made and never lost in the CFP national championship game.. Michigan & LSU. 

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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #95 on: January 17, 2025, 12:33:06 PM »
    Michigan has 2& 1/2 NCs since the end of WWII 👀
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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #96 on: January 17, 2025, 12:35:42 PM »
    Michigan has 2& 1/2 NCs since the end of WWII 👀

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    Re: CFPCG: #8 Ohio State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1) Game Week
    « Reply #97 on: January 17, 2025, 12:52:43 PM »
    Michigan has 2*& 1/2 NCs since the end of WWII 👀
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