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Topic: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening

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ESPN posting their first 2027 Tournament projections featuring 76 teams - MEN’S BRACKETOLOGY

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I can't wait until it's 128 teams!!!!!  :72:
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I can't wait until it's 128 teams!!!!!  :72:
I'll just view it the same way I view the NBA now:  The first round of the playoffs exists to get down to the teams that should have been in the playoffs.  

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'more' and 'better' are not synonyms.  This isn't difficult.  
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It's like the bowl thing.....letting in 5-7 teams.  Rewarding a 5-7 season.  At what point will the sport ever just look in the fucking mirror and realize it's broken?!?!  (itself, not the mirror)

You know what?  If you can't be certain you're going to have enough teams above .500, maybe you shouldn't be operating another bowl game.  How about that?
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It's like the bowl thing.....letting in 5-7 teams.  Rewarding a 5-7 season.  At what point will the sport ever just look in the fucking mirror and realize it's broken?!?!  (itself, not the mirror)

You know what?  If you can't be certain you're going to have enough teams above .500, maybe you shouldn't be operating another bowl game.  How about that?

I was wondering about this too. I don't remember when the 5-7 bowl team thing started, but I specifically remember a 5-7 Mississippi State going to the St. Petersburg Bowl back in 2016, and barely beating Miami OH.

This past year there was avid lobbying for a 17-16 Auburn team (7-11) to be selected for the tournament, so we're already getting close to a few loud voices advocating for losing teams in the tournament.

The only thing I like about lowering the bar on the Tournament is that it creates a clearer line for ridding yourself of a lower performing coach. Take Porter Mouser at Oklahoma. Five seasons at Oklahoma and only one tournament to show for it. On one hand, he's gone if those are his results with a 76-team Tournament. On the other, maybe he can string along his employment by qualifying for the opening round every year (his 2024 & 2026 teams probably qualify for a 76-team Tournament).

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Well, at least the Hoosiers will make the tournament…. Maybe. 

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This past year there was avid lobbying for a 17-16 Auburn team (7-11) to be selected for the tournament, so we're already getting close to a few loud voices advocating for losing teams in the tournament.
This seems directed at me so I'll respond.  

My issue is that there were a LOT of teams MUCH worse than Auburn that did make the NCAAT.  They don't need to be included but I don't like including such a large group of teams that were pretty clearly nowhere near as good as Auburn.  

A secondary issue for me is that I strongly value SoS.  I've learned on here that I value it a LOT more than most people.  That makes me uncomfortable with simply objecting to teams below a certain threshold such as "winning record" as you implicitly did with your reference to "losing teams".  Winning a lot of games against crap opposition doesn't impress me just as I believe that losing a bunch of games against top-tier opposition shouldn't count against you anywhere near as much as losing to mediocre or bad teams.  Yes, Auburn had 16 losses but here they are:

  • Michigan - #1 seed, won the NC
  • Arizona - #1 seed, made F4
  • Purdue - #2 seed, made E8
  • Houston - #2 seed, made S16
  • Alabama - #4 seed, made S16
  • Alabama - #4 seed, made S16
  • Arkansas - #4 seed, made S16
  • Vandy - #5 seed, made R32
  • Tennessee - #6 seed, made E8
  • Tennessee - #6 seed, made E8
  • Georgia - #8 seed
  • aTm - #10 seed, made R32
  • Mizzou - #10 seed
  • Oklahoma - Finished 19-15/7-11 and generally regarded as one of the first or next four out
  • MissSt - Finished 13-19/5-13
  • Ole Miss - Finished 15-20/4-14


Sixteen IS a lot of losses but 13 of them were to NCAAT teams, half were to top-5 seeds, five were E8 teams, and nine (more than half) were to S16 teams.  That context matters.  

Would you include them if they had CHOSEN to play four little-sisters-of-the-poor instead of Michigan, Arizona, Purdue, and Houston and thus finished 20-13?  Auburn at 20-13 with four wins over crap OOC opponents instead of four losses to #1 and #2 seeds (M, Zona, PU, Houston) absolutely would have made the tournament and the message that sends is bad for the sport.  

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Sorry for slightly derailing the topic, but this doesn't warrant its own thread and I don't know where else to put it.  

LSU/Will Wade is recruiting a bunch of international players, guys who have played in the EuroLeague and other national equivalents of their own NBA, or something like that.  Professional outfits, I mean.  

My question is, when did any of this become legal?  I thought players who were professional and/or players who ever had professional representation were precluded by the NCAA from playing collegiate sports?  As far as I knew, you couldn't even declare for a draft and be eligible to continue playing college ball.  Apparently now you can be pro, at least overseas, and then come to the States and play within the confines of the NCAA?

When?  Why?  How?  

This seems......wrong.  I knew cfb was being ruined.  This feels like a big step in the wrong direction for cbb.  Maybe it's not new and I'm just now finding out about it.  But.....yuck.  

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Sorry for slightly derailing the topic, but this doesn't warrant its own thread and I don't know where else to put it. 

LSU/Will Wade is recruiting a bunch of international players, guys who have played in the EuroLeague and other national equivalents of their own NBA, or something like that.  Professional outfits, I mean. 

My question is, when did any of this become legal?  I thought players who were professional and/or players who ever had professional representation were precluded by the NCAA from playing collegiate sports?  As far as I knew, you couldn't even declare for a draft and be eligible to continue playing college ball.  Apparently now you can be pro, at least overseas, and then come to the States and play within the confines of the NCAA?

When?  Why?  How? 

This seems......wrong.  I knew cfb was being ruined.  This feels like a big step in the wrong direction for cbb.  Maybe it's not new and I'm just now finding out about it.  But.....yuck. 
Yeah, this is the new reality. Ohio State also has a guy who previously played professionally in Europe, it isn't uncommon. 

 

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