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Topic: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2026, 02:32:55 PM »
That's probably the best thing for all involved. While it pushes the low majors to the fringes, it also gives them a chance to "win an NCAA tournament game."
Exactly.  For the bottom-feeder conferences the improvement of the top seeds due to the portal and NIL has made the chances of any team from their league EVER winning an actual R64 game ridiculously slim so we might as well at least put them in a position where they'll have a 50/50 shot against a fellow bottom-feeder before they get obliterated by one of the best teams in the Country.  

We get higher quality teams in the 'real' tournament (my definition is R64 and beyond) and the crap teams at the bottom get to pretend that they won an NCAAT game.  

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2026, 02:36:39 PM »
This seems like a choice without much of a constituency. 

Feels like you’ll get a half and half in the pre-Thursday games? Half low seeds, half at larges?

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2026, 02:39:52 PM »
This seems like a choice without much of a constituency.

Feels like you’ll get a half and half in the pre-Thursday games? Half low seeds, half at larges?
The CBS article (linked above) projected that six of the play-in games would be between the last 12 at-large teams and the other six would be between the worst 12 teams to get auto-bids so yes exactly half and half but not against each other:
  • 6 games between 12 tallest midgets
  • 6 games between 12 middling power conference teams.  


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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2026, 03:09:16 PM »
The CBS article (linked above) projected that six of the play-in games would be between the last 12 at-large teams and the other six would be between the worst 12 teams to get auto-bids so yes exactly half and half but not against each other:
  • 6 games between 12 tallest midgets
  • 6 games between 12 middling power conference teams. 
That essentially means the seeds will change somewhat

I  just realized they may not want to do the #16 v #16 thing anymore because you want the #15 seed playing a worst team than the #16 seeds are playing.  This may mean they may have to create #17 and #18 seeds and 19 seeds.

Either that or create sub- categories.  For example

15 seeds - 2 teams that dont play in play in games
15-a seeds - 2 higher seeded 15 seeds that play in play-in games
15-b seeds - 2 lower seeded teams that play the 15-a teams in the play in games (equivalent of a 19 seed)
« Last Edit: April 29, 2026, 03:37:11 PM by ManHawk »
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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2026, 03:36:12 PM »
The CBS article (linked above) projected that six of the play-in games would be between the last 12 at-large teams and the other six would be between the worst 12 teams to get auto-bids so yes exactly half and half but not against each other:
  • 6 games between 12 tallest midgets
  • 6 games between 12 middling power conference teams. 


Hmmm. Looking at a projection of what that would look like this year. 

The gain is somewhat poor from an interesting game front (for the majority of fans). What you gain in stronger mid-major lower seeds, you probably lose in better higher seeds. 

Like, it’s not really better unless you’ve got a very particular taste. Bleh. 

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2026, 03:47:49 PM »
Hmmm. Looking at a projection of what that would look like this year.

The gain is somewhat poor from an interesting game front (for the majority of fans). What you gain in stronger mid-major lower seeds, you probably lose in better higher seeds.

Like, it’s not really better unless you’ve got a very particular taste. Bleh.
I prefer stronger competition so I'd prefer if they just sent the worst 24 teams to play-in games to determine the 14-16 seeds.  That would much more substantially improve the quality of the 12-16 seeds.  

As it is the continuation of the compromise of having 1/2 last at-large and 1/2 last teams minimizes the impact.  

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2026, 04:02:12 PM »
I prefer stronger competition so I'd prefer if they just sent the worst 24 teams to play-in games to determine the 14-16 seeds.  That would much more substantially improve the quality of the 12-16 seeds. 

As it is the continuation of the compromise of having 1/2 last at-large and 1/2 last teams minimizes the impact. 
We’re all very well aware. What you seem to want is a smaller tournament. Possibly unseeded. 

Which is a fine thing to want. But it feels like we’re constantly trying to half measure around saying that. 

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2026, 04:17:09 PM »
Well hell, let's just make it 256, a straight up ranking, #1 plays #256, and add a whole 'nother weekend.

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2026, 04:37:29 PM »
Analyzing using CBS' projections
CBS' projections for 2026 based on the new format:

The eight additional teams (first four out and next four out) become 12-seed play-ins.  

Thus the four #12 seeds from the 2026 NCAAT would become #13 seeds.  Similarly the four #13 seeds would become #14 seeds.  

The top two #14 seeds from the 2026 NCAAT would become #15 seeds.  The other two #14 seeds would have to play-in to get a #15 seed.  

The top two #15 seeds from the 2026 NCAAT would have to play-in to get a #15 seed.  The other two #15 seeds would have to play in to get a #16 seed.  

The two #16 seeds from the 2026 NCAAT that did NOT have to play in Dayton would become #16 play-ins.  

All-in-all there is a minor incremental increase in the quality of the #12-#16 seeds that should theoretically result in slightly better games at the 5/12, 4/13, 3/14, 2/15 and 1/16 levels.  

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2026, 04:40:22 PM »
We’re all very well aware. What you seem to want is a smaller tournament. Possibly unseeded.

Which is a fine thing to want. But it feels like we’re constantly trying to half measure around saying that.
What I want is more competitive games.  We could get there by leaning more toward the best teams rather than the 'deserving' tallest midgets.  

At least since the 1985 expansion the NCAAT has been a compromise between those two.  31 auto-bids for 'deserving' league champions and 37 at-large slots for the 'best' teams.  Obviously a big group of the auto-bids go to teams that actually are some of the best anyway so in those cases the auto-bids are irrelevant.  

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2026, 04:48:05 PM »
I guess I can start adding the NCAAT to the list of things to ignore...

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2026, 04:49:38 PM »
at least until the 2nd round
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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2026, 05:26:10 PM »
What I want is more competitive games.  We could get there by leaning more toward the best teams rather than the 'deserving' tallest midgets. 

At least since the 1985 expansion the NCAAT has been a compromise between those two.  31 auto-bids for 'deserving' league champions and 37 at-large slots for the 'best' teams.  Obviously a big group of the auto-bids go to teams that actually are some of the best anyway so in those cases the auto-bids are irrelevant. 
Man, the pre-‘85 tournament would’ve set your teeth on edge. 

Beyond relegating or dropping smaller conference teams, any other ideas for making a more competitive tournament?

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Re: CBB - Apparently expanding the NCAAT to 76 from 68 teams is happening
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2026, 05:33:45 PM »
I guess I can start adding the NCAAT to the list of things to ignore...
I don't see it that way, I see it this way:
at least until the 2nd round
Just ignore the play-in games which most everyone whose team isn't actually in them does anyway and the 'real' 64-team tournament will be marginally better because the 12-16 seeds will be incrementally better than before.  

Now what would really improve the 'real' 64-team tournament would be if they seeded it as a 19-seed tournament and made the worst 24 teams play each other in the first round of:
  • 14 vs 19
  • 15 vs 18
  • 16 vs 17
Then when the 'real' 64-team tournament started your 12-16 seeds would all be substantially better than they were before the change:
  • The four play-in #11 seeds would become the last two #11 seeds and the first two #12 seeds.  
  • The "first four out" would become the last two #12 seeds and the first two #13 seeds.  
  • The "next four out" would become the last two #13 seeds and the first two #14 seeds who would then play the last two #19 seeds who used to be #16 seeds.  
  • The four #12 seeds would become the last two #14 seeds (playing #19) and the first two #15 seeds (playing #18).  
  • The four #13 seeds would become the last two #15 seeds (playing #18) and the first two #16 seeds (playing #17).  
  • The four #14 seeds would become the last two #16 seeds (playing #17) and the first two #17 seeds (playing #16).  
  • The four #15 seeds would become the last two #17 seeds (playing #16) and the first two #18 seeds (playing #15).  
  • The six #16 seeds would become the last two #18 seeds (playing #15) and all four #19 seeds (playing #14).  
The above isn't exactly accurate because some of the existing #12 seeds would probably fit ahead of some of the next four out and thus replace them at #13.  Either way the teams at the 12-16 lines would be 2-3 lines better than as-is.  


 

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