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Topic: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game

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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #84 on: December 09, 2019, 12:31:54 PM »
I'm with Badge on this: looks like targeting to me based on the calls I've seen since 2018. Horribly malicious? Probably not. Leading with a helmet to the runner's head? Definitely.

Overall impact? OSU is lucky he isn't suspended for a half in the semi-final. But he isn't. So that's the end of it.

Missed the false start, but there are always calls like that in a game (holding, PI, etc.). Did it make a difference? To that play, yes. In the outcome? Not likely.

Loved that the Badgers put a scare in the Buckeyes, but at half when my son said, so Wisconsin is going to win? I responded, "I still doubt it." OSU is really, really good. The bungled punt (essentially a turnover) was a disaster right at the wrong moment. Plays like that put nails in coffins of teams trying to pull off upsets. Losing Orr really hurt. Not having AJ Taylor, too. But that's the difference between teams like OSU and Wisconsin: Chryst has done a great job coaching the Badgers into a very good team, but OSU has depth the likes of which Wisconsin can only dream of.

Proud of the Badgers' effort. Look forward to seeing them in the Rose Bowl, which should be a great game with Oregon. Feel bad for Penn State that it has to play Memphis in the Cotton. Good bowl, but PSU will get little credit for winning, and will take a lot of heat if it loses.

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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #85 on: December 09, 2019, 12:37:28 PM »
Oh, there is no doubt that fake punt turned the game. If UW gets the ball there and scores, it's 28-7. Yeah, I know OSU did not get a score out of it, but the fumble buried the Badgers at their own 4 yard line. Huge difference there.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #86 on: December 09, 2019, 12:43:22 PM »
Great film breakdown, which give Chryst  the credit he deserves.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2019/12/110185/film-study-a-focus-on-fundamentals-led-to-a-reinvigorated-ohio-state-defense-in-the-second-half-of-the

I think someone called wisconsin’s Game plan earlier in this thread befor the game.  Can’t remember the fella’s name...................😛
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #87 on: December 09, 2019, 12:46:47 PM »
#1 Ohio State Buckeyes (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin Badgers (7-2, 10-2)
8:00 - Indianapolis, IN - FOX
For those of us who are not a fan of rematches, the Big Ten Championship has delivered.  For the first team since the inaugural event in 2011, we have a rematch of a regular season matchup.  2011 had Michigan State, who beat Wisconsin on a hail mary, drop the Indianapolis rematch by 3 points, in what is still the best version of the championship game.  Because of how close that first game was, the rematch didn't even feel all that dirty, because nothing felt decided.  That is certainly not the case this time as we get OSU-Wisconsin Pt. II, after the Buckeyes convincingly won Pt. I, 38-7.  The Wisconsin defense held up for nearly a full half, before getting overwhelmed.  The Buckeyes' first three drives totaled 44 yards on 2.8 ypp.  Then, with 2 minutes left in the half, standing at their own 15, Ohio State kicked it into high gear, scored a touchdown going into the break, starting a run of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives, which were a combined 313 yards on 9.5 ypp.  Even with that, (1) the 34 points Ohio State scored was still more than they scored against everyone except Michigan State and Penn State; (2) only Michigan State held Justin Fields to a lower QBR; and (3) I'm willing to bet nobody else held Ohio State's starters scoreless on three consecutive drives all season.  So, while it appears nobody in the Big Ten can slow Ohio State down right now, Wisconsin might be the only one with a shot.  The problem is just how much Ohio State bullied Wisconsin in the trenches last game.  That simply doesn't happen to Bucky, and when it does, they don't really have an alternate plan.  J.K. Dobbins ran all over the Wisconsin defense, with 163 yards on 8.2 ypc, more than he had on anyone except Cincinnati and Indiana.  And he's only increasing his role in the offense as the season goes on, tallying his two highest carry totals in the final two weeks of the season.  Conversely, Jonathan Taylor had on 52 yards on 2.6 ypc, which were his worst numbers since...the last time Wisconsin played Ohio State.  Michigan was able to hold Ohio State's pass rush largely at bay, surrendering just 2 sacks, and holding former Heisman candidate Chase Young entirely off the scoresheet.  Did they help unlock something for Wisconsin, who had no answer for Young last go round, when he had 4 sacks and 2 forced fumbles?  If not, forget about it, but if so, that should help them keep the game closer, for longer, so they don't have to abandon their running game, like in Columbus, where everything started to snowball.  Wisconsin had to pass on 11 of 16 plays over 4 drives, which resulted in 2 three and outs and 2 punts.  Ohio State has won 7 straight against Wisconsin, but until the October matchup, only that 2014 Big Ten Championship was won by more than 7 points.  So I won't predict another blowout, but I also think there are probably only 2 teams in America who can play with Ohio State right now, and neither of them will be in Indianapolis on Saturday.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #88 on: December 09, 2019, 12:48:51 PM »
Almost no players intentionally try to target.
Not anymore - the rule has largely been effective.  But let's not pretend that the headhunting on receivers and quarterbacks never happened. Still, it is rarely ever applied (and not really intended to apply) in circumstances like this where one guy is trying to tackle another guy.

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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #89 on: December 09, 2019, 12:52:37 PM »
Also, I would have thrown targeting flag.   Runner had clearly turned towards the end zone, so he was not going OB.  Proctor led with his shoulder, but he still delivered the hit to Coan’s Head.  Not cool.  Glad Coan is ok...great kid.

Proctor is a highly recruited kid from Ok.  Never seen him do anything like this, and from all accounts he is a good kid.  He probably just got caught up in the moment, but I definitely feel he should have been flagged.  
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2019, 01:04:01 PM »
Also, I would have thrown targeting flag.  Runner had clearly turned towards the end zone, so he was not going OB.  Proctor led with his shoulder, but he still delivered the hit to Coan’s Head.  Not cool.  Glad Coan is ok...great kid.

Proctor is a highly recruited kid from Ok.  Never seen him do anything like this, and from all accounts he is a good kid.  He probably just got caught up in the moment, but I definitely feel he should have been flagged. 
It's irrelevant that he hit him in the head.  If Coan wasn't a defenseless player, then targeting comes down to whether Proctor was trying to hit him with the crown of his own helmet.  The circumstances you describe (not defenseless, leading with his shoulder) clearly fall outside the targeting rule.

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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2019, 01:15:13 PM »
He may have tried to lead with his shoulder, but the hit was with the helmet, to the helmet.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2019, 01:17:36 PM »
not supposed to hit the player's head with your shoulder pad either
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2019, 01:23:18 PM »
Because if there is one thing that football needs more of, it is targeting penalties.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2019, 01:23:29 PM »
He may have tried to lead with his shoulder, but the hit was with the helmet, to the helmet.
Whether he hit Coan in the helmet doesn't matter.  Runners lowering their head almost always get hit in the helmet.  It only matters if he was a defenseless player, and from what I've seen he is trying to run up field and deliver a blow to the defender.  So the only was for the targeting rule to apply is whether Proctor was trying to hit him with the crown of his helmet.  I would concede that is up to the judgment of whoever is watching, but to my eyes Proctor is leading with his shoulder and the helmet contact is incidental to that.

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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2019, 02:21:32 PM »
It's irrelevant that he hit him in the head.  If Coan wasn't a defenseless player, then targeting comes down to whether Proctor was trying to hit him with the crown of his own helmet.  The circumstances you describe (not defenseless, leading with his shoulder) clearly fall outside the targeting rule.
Maybe I have reading comprehension issues- but if you read the rule- posted earlier in this thread- you are 100% incorrect and in fact opposite of what the rule says. 
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« Reply #96 on: December 09, 2019, 02:36:06 PM »
Because if there is one thing that football needs more of, it is targeting penalties.

Couldn't have one here, because Jim Delany already started his victory party on the field.  :67:
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« Reply #97 on: December 09, 2019, 02:41:28 PM »
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