Tough to beat a team twice in the same season.Especially a REALLY good team, who no longer can be viewed as one dimensional. Let’s remember, it was 10-7 in the 3rd Q.
Tough to beat a team twice in the same season.also tough to play the Buckeyes 10-7 in the 3rd twice
If anybody is coming down for this, let me know. Could meet up Sat.I'm on the fence about this. Got a must-attend holiday event in town on Friday, and then I have to travel by air on Monday. I'm leaning toward staying home, right now.
I'm on the fence about this. Got a must-attend holiday event in town on Friday, and then I have to travel by air on Monday. I'm leaning toward staying home, right now.I'm only in for a Sat meetup. I too have a Friday night thing.
I don't think by a lot, this time. OSU will win, but it's not going to be a blowout. UW has a ton more film to look at know, including their own game against them.Taylor will get loose a lot more this time. First time the game was tight as hell deep into Q3, and that was with Taylor relatively contained. I will not be optimistic until I see if the Buckeye defense can manage to keep the Badgers from going up and down the field.
Hopefully, and it's a big hope right now, UW can have its full compliment of DL and DB's back for this game. All hands on deck.
Ohio State by a lot.I see it this way too. I don’t think it’s within 2 Touchdowns. I’d be surprised if the game is in question at any point in the second half. That’s nothing against the Badgers, but a testament to the level the Buckeyes are at. They remind me of a couple Alabama teams that were just far and away ahead of everyone else.
I'm only in for a Sat meetup. I too have a Friday night thing.Is that in Indy this year?
There's always Big Ten Hoops Tourney in March for a more festive evening.
Is that in Indy this year?I believe so. Someone tried to sell me tickets.
I think Wisconsin wins one time in ten, maybe, and probably needs a +3 TO margin.Agreed. Maybe +2 would do it, but Ohio State is the far superior team. If the Badgers can milk the clock and get some turnover help, I can see it being close, but as noted previously, Wisconsin isn't built to come from behind against a team like Ohio State. Buckeye game plan should be similar to Wisconsin's against Minnesota (and Minnesota's against Wisconsin): limit the run, make them beat you through the air. Ohio State's athletes won't be beaten like Minnesota's, and Chase Young with his ears pinned back is trouble...big trouble. Chryst showed off his high-quality play-calling on Saturday, but against a much different opponent.
Yeah, I'm thinking 35-20, or something along those lines. I'd like it to be less, because I would really like to see UW go to Pasadena over Penn State.Agreed. And PSU to the Rose on the basis of not having to play Ohio State twice seems screwy.
I don't think by a lot, this time. OSU will win, but it's not going to be a blowout. UW has a ton more film to look at know, including their own game against them.I agree,last game it was 16-7 until like 6:35 or sumsuch in the 3rd when tOSU got the next TD.UWs defense played good but got tired.Their offense has to move the sticks.And Fields with a tender knee won't be taking off so much so there's one less thing to contend with.
Hopefully, and it's a big hope right now, UW can have its full compliment of DL and DB's back for this game. All hands on deck.
I agree,last game it was 16-7 until like 6:35 or sumsuch in the 3rd when tOSU got the next TD.UWs defense played good but got tired.Their offense has to move the sticks.And Fields with a tender knee won't be taking off so much so there's one less thing to contend with.You are slightly off on the score but I agree with the idea.
Ryan Day on Wisconsin: “ They kicked our tails on offense”.probably felt that way
probably felt that wayNo disrespect to PSU- they were a tough out but Wisconsin-IMHO- was the toughest game and the team that made me feel like they could go toe to toe. This championship game in my opinion is definitely the two best teams in the conference
only 431 total yards
No disrespect to PSU- they were a tough out but Wisconsin-IMHO- was the toughest game and the team that made me feel like they could go toe to toe. This championship game in my opinion is definitely the two best teams in the conferenceI am of the same opinion.
| #1 Ohio State Buckeyes (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin Badgers (7-2, 10-2) |
| 8:00 - Indianapolis, IN - FOX |
| For those of us who are not a fan of rematches, the Big Ten Championship has delivered. For the first team since the inaugural event in 2011, we have a rematch of a regular season matchup. 2011 had Michigan State, who beat Wisconsin on a hail mary, drop the Indianapolis rematch by 3 points, in what is still the best version of the championship game. Because of how close that first game was, the rematch didn't even feel all that dirty, because nothing felt decided. That is certainly not the case this time as we get OSU-Wisconsin Pt. II, after the Buckeyes convincingly won Pt. I, 38-7. The Wisconsin defense held up for nearly a full half, before getting overwhelmed. The Buckeyes' first three drives totaled 44 yards on 2.8 ypp. Then, with 2 minutes left in the half, standing at their own 15, Ohio State kicked it into high gear, scored a touchdown going into the break, starting a run of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives, which were a combined 313 yards on 9.5 ypp. Even with that, (1) the 34 points Ohio State scored was still more than they scored against everyone except Michigan State and Penn State; (2) only Michigan State held Justin Fields to a lower QBR; and (3) I'm willing to bet nobody else held Ohio State's starters scoreless on three consecutive drives all season. So, while it appears nobody in the Big Ten can slow Ohio State down right now, Wisconsin might be the only one with a shot. The problem is just how much Ohio State bullied Wisconsin in the trenches last game. That simply doesn't happen to Bucky, and when it does, they don't really have an alternate plan. J.K. Dobbins ran all over the Wisconsin defense, with 163 yards on 8.2 ypc, more than he had on anyone except Cincinnati and Indiana. And he's only increasing his role in the offense as the season goes on, tallying his two highest carry totals in the final two weeks of the season. Conversely, Jonathan Taylor had on 52 yards on 2.6 ypc, which were his worst numbers since...the last time Wisconsin played Ohio State. Michigan was able to hold Ohio State's pass rush largely at bay, surrendering just 2 sacks, and holding former Heisman candidate Chase Young entirely off the scoresheet. Did they help unlock something for Wisconsin, who had no answer for Young last go round, when he had 4 sacks and 2 forced fumbles? If not, forget about it, but if so, that should help them keep the game closer, for longer, so they don't have to abandon their running game, like in Columbus, where everything started to snowball. Wisconsin had to pass on 11 of 16 plays over 4 drives, which resulted in 2 three and outs and 2 punts. Ohio State has won 7 straight against Wisconsin, but until the October matchup, only that 2014 Big Ten Championship was won by more than 7 points. So I won't predict another blowout, but I also think there are probably only 2 teams in America who can play with Ohio State right now, and neither of them will be in Indianapolis on Saturday. |
| OHIO STATE 34, WISCONSIN 21 |
30-16 (Badgers get one TD and two FGs)7+3+3=13?
Not only that, but he's the glue guy. Excellent teammate. Can't underestimate his absence last season.I was looking at All-Big 10, and thought the placement of UW guys on offense was interesting in a way.
Yeah, Abby is up there for sure in that group. Brandon Williams too, I'd say.Loved Brandon.
Yeah, Abby is up there for sure in that group. Brandon Williams too, I'd say.Those two and Toon at the top for sure. Probably QC and Erickson next in some order.
As for the game tonight, UW will have to play the game of its life and OSU will have to play its worst. That's the only way I see UW with even a chance to win.I think Chryst gets aggressive tonight and uses Cephus to open up the run. I think Wisconsin will not fear Fields running and will put the clamps on Dobbins. I see a tight game with turnovers making a difference
UW needs to:
Run the ball well
Stop the run
Pressure the QB (and sack him)
Guessing Wisconsin will get to about #10.
Rematch of what I think is the 2 best teams in the conference.
I thought all year there are 3 teams in the conference that have the talent to be competitive with OSU. (Being PSU, TTUN and Wisconsin, although TTUN may be such a head case that's only 2.)
I do think OSU has more talent than Wisconsin, but the Badgers have enough to play with the Buckeyes. I think it will be a really good game.
Do they have targeting on a runner like that? He was not defenseless or already being tackled. I'm not saying you're wrong, just looking for clarification.The official 2018 Football Code (https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4540-2018-ncaa-football-rules-and-interpretations.aspx) of the NCAA Football Rules Committee stresses that "players and coaches should emphasize the elimination of targeting and initiating contact against a defenseless opponent and/or with the crown of the helmet."
He was going out of bounds, in effect giving himself up. That is the gray area.No, he was not going out of bounds.
No, he was not going out of bounds.You forgot to mention "helmet-to-helmet" when you describe the hard hit.
Look at the video that you just posted. He could have gone out of bounds but he didn't. He tried to turn upfield towards the goal line. He got hit hard and prevented from getting to said goal line. That is football.
You forgot to mention "helmet-to-helmet" when you describe the hard hit.I didn't really see it that way. They make helmet to helmet contact but Coan lowered his head and Proctor looked like he was trying to lead with his shoulder.
#41 should sit out for a half (at least).
Still targeting. Intent doesn't matter.Intent does matter - it is written right into the rule that the purpose has to be beyond making a legal tackle. That part has caused lots of issues for officials trying to judge bang bang plays, but a proper targeting call does take intent into account.
I can show you two replays of the exact same scenario where two UW safeties were ejected - in the same game - and forced to sit the following game.
One was targeting for sure. The other one, probably not, but it is what it is.
Amazing. ELA=Kreskin.
#1 Ohio State Buckeyes (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin Badgers (7-2, 10-2) 8:00 - Indianapolis, IN - FOX For those of us who are not a fan of rematches, the Big Ten Championship has delivered. For the first team since the inaugural event in 2011, we have a rematch of a regular season matchup. 2011 had Michigan State, who beat Wisconsin on a hail mary, drop the Indianapolis rematch by 3 points, in what is still the best version of the championship game. Because of how close that first game was, the rematch didn't even feel all that dirty, because nothing felt decided. That is certainly not the case this time as we get OSU-Wisconsin Pt. II, after the Buckeyes convincingly won Pt. I, 38-7. The Wisconsin defense held up for nearly a full half, before getting overwhelmed. The Buckeyes' first three drives totaled 44 yards on 2.8 ypp. Then, with 2 minutes left in the half, standing at their own 15, Ohio State kicked it into high gear, scored a touchdown going into the break, starting a run of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives, which were a combined 313 yards on 9.5 ypp. Even with that, (1) the 34 points Ohio State scored was still more than they scored against everyone except Michigan State and Penn State; (2) only Michigan State held Justin Fields to a lower QBR; and (3) I'm willing to bet nobody else held Ohio State's starters scoreless on three consecutive drives all season. So, while it appears nobody in the Big Ten can slow Ohio State down right now, Wisconsin might be the only one with a shot. The problem is just how much Ohio State bullied Wisconsin in the trenches last game. That simply doesn't happen to Bucky, and when it does, they don't really have an alternate plan. J.K. Dobbins ran all over the Wisconsin defense, with 163 yards on 8.2 ypc, more than he had on anyone except Cincinnati and Indiana. And he's only increasing his role in the offense as the season goes on, tallying his two highest carry totals in the final two weeks of the season. Conversely, Jonathan Taylor had on 52 yards on 2.6 ypc, which were his worst numbers since...the last time Wisconsin played Ohio State. Michigan was able to hold Ohio State's pass rush largely at bay, surrendering just 2 sacks, and holding former Heisman candidate Chase Young entirely off the scoresheet. Did they help unlock something for Wisconsin, who had no answer for Young last go round, when he had 4 sacks and 2 forced fumbles? If not, forget about it, but if so, that should help them keep the game closer, for longer, so they don't have to abandon their running game, like in Columbus, where everything started to snowball. Wisconsin had to pass on 11 of 16 plays over 4 drives, which resulted in 2 three and outs and 2 punts. Ohio State has won 7 straight against Wisconsin, but until the October matchup, only that 2014 Big Ten Championship was won by more than 7 points. So I won't predict another blowout, but I also think there are probably only 2 teams in America who can play with Ohio State right now, and neither of them will be in Indianapolis on Saturday. OHIO STATE 34, WISCONSIN 21
Almost no players intentionally try to target.Not anymore - the rule has largely been effective. But let's not pretend that the headhunting on receivers and quarterbacks never happened. Still, it is rarely ever applied (and not really intended to apply) in circumstances like this where one guy is trying to tackle another guy.
Also, I would have thrown targeting flag. Runner had clearly turned towards the end zone, so he was not going OB. Proctor led with his shoulder, but he still delivered the hit to Coan’s Head. Not cool. Glad Coan is ok...great kid.It's irrelevant that he hit him in the head. If Coan wasn't a defenseless player, then targeting comes down to whether Proctor was trying to hit him with the crown of his own helmet. The circumstances you describe (not defenseless, leading with his shoulder) clearly fall outside the targeting rule.
Proctor is a highly recruited kid from Ok. Never seen him do anything like this, and from all accounts he is a good kid. He probably just got caught up in the moment, but I definitely feel he should have been flagged.
He may have tried to lead with his shoulder, but the hit was with the helmet, to the helmet.Whether he hit Coan in the helmet doesn't matter. Runners lowering their head almost always get hit in the helmet. It only matters if he was a defenseless player, and from what I've seen he is trying to run up field and deliver a blow to the defender. So the only was for the targeting rule to apply is whether Proctor was trying to hit him with the crown of his helmet. I would concede that is up to the judgment of whoever is watching, but to my eyes Proctor is leading with his shoulder and the helmet contact is incidental to that.
It's irrelevant that he hit him in the head. If Coan wasn't a defenseless player, then targeting comes down to whether Proctor was trying to hit him with the crown of his own helmet. The circumstances you describe (not defenseless, leading with his shoulder) clearly fall outside the targeting rule.Maybe I have reading comprehension issues- but if you read the rule- posted earlier in this thread- you are 100% incorrect and in fact opposite of what the rule says.
Because if there is one thing that football needs more of, it is targeting penalties.Couldn't have one here, because Jim Delany already started his victory party on the field. :67:
I didn't like seeing Big Jim suck on Urban's wang. His rooting interest was clear.He may well have been rooting for the Buckeyes being as that is the best shot for the B1G to get into the playoffs. However, that had no bearing what so ever on the outcome of the game.
You forgot to mention "helmet-to-helmet" when you describe the hard hit.Badge, it bothers me that you tried to claim that he was going out of bounds. There are posters on here I would expect that from. You are not one of them, please don't become one. That makes a humongous difference and what you said was flat not true.
#41 should sit out for a half (at least).
It certainly looks like he was not trying to go out of bounds after looking at the slo-mo. The hit was helmet on helmet. I've seen guys get tossed for much less.Me too. I think if that happens earlier we get an in game call and review.
One play that did not get a lot of attention and I think deserves it is Taylor's 45 yard run right after Ohio State's first TD.
The set-up:
Ohio State's first three drives had resulted in a loss on downs a punt, and the fumble. Meanwhile, Wisconsin two TD's and a punt on their first three drives making it a 14-0 game in favor of Wisconsin. Then Ohio State had a long (10 plays, 71 yards) drive for a TD to make it a one-score game at 14-7 shortly before halftime. Ohio State's kick after their TD resulted in a touchback so Wisconsin had the ball at their own 25 with just 0:42 left in the first half. Ohio State had two timeouts and Wisconsin had one so it really looked like the teams would head into the locker room at 14-7 Wisconsin.
On first and ten from their own 25, Wisconsin ran JT and it was a beautiful run. First he broke what should have been a sure tackle near the LOS, then at about the 35 yard line he was surrounded by three Ohio State defenders and managed to emerge from that, slip another arm-tackle at the 40, and get in the clear with a blocker and heading downfield. He was finally pushed out of bounds at the tOSU 30 with around 0:32 to go.
Why I think that was a very important play:
Most coaches with the ball at their own 25 in a close game near halftime are going to run out the clock. That is especially true for a running team (Wisconsin) and for an underdog holding a lead (Wisconsin again). If Taylor had been tackled near the LOS for a short gain setting up second and sevenish with the clock running that probably would have been the end of the half. Instead, his long run put the Badgers in business and they would up scoring to take a 21-7 lead into the break. Overall it didn't impact the outcome of the game but it might have impacted the Rose Bowl and the CFP #1 seed. If we just assume that the second half would have been the same either way, with no TD there the final would have been 34-14 and that just might have gotten PSU into the RoseBowl against Oregon and tOSU into the Peach Bowl against Oklahoma.
One play that did not get a lot of attention and I think deserves it is Taylor's 45 yard run right after Ohio State's first TD.Bingo. Brilliant run by Taylor, and that’s a perfect example of his value. Chryst didn’t want to gamble there, but knew that Taylor always is a threat to explode. By the way, watch the replay and see Taylor’s brilliant stiff arm on Werner.
The set-up:
Ohio State's first three drives had resulted in a loss on downs a punt, and the fumble. Meanwhile, Wisconsin two TD's and a punt on their first three drives making it a 14-0 game in favor of Wisconsin. Then Ohio State had a long (10 plays, 71 yards) drive for a TD to make it a one-score game at 14-7 shortly before halftime. Ohio State's kick after their TD resulted in a touchback so Wisconsin had the ball at their own 25 with just 0:42 left in the first half. Ohio State had two timeouts and Wisconsin had one so it really looked like the teams would head into the locker room at 14-7 Wisconsin.
On first and ten from their own 25, Wisconsin ran JT and it was a beautiful run. First he broke what should have been a sure tackle near the LOS, then at about the 35 yard line he was surrounded by three Ohio State defenders and managed to emerge from that, slip another arm-tackle at the 40, and get in the clear with a blocker and heading downfield. He was finally pushed out of bounds at the tOSU 30 with around 0:32 to go.
Why I think that was a very important play:
Most coaches with the ball at their own 25 in a close game near halftime are going to run out the clock. That is especially true for a running team (Wisconsin) and for an underdog holding a lead (Wisconsin again). If Taylor had been tackled near the LOS for a short gain setting up second and sevenish with the clock running that probably would have been the end of the half. Instead, his long run put the Badgers in business and they would up scoring to take a 21-7 lead into the break. Overall it didn't impact the outcome of the game but it might have impacted the Rose Bowl and the CFP #1 seed. If we just assume that the second half would have been the same either way, with no TD there the final would have been 34-14 and that just might have gotten PSU into the RoseBowl against Oregon and tOSU into the Peach Bowl against Oklahoma.
Bingo. Brilliant run by Taylor, and that’s a perfect example of his value. Chryst didn’t want to gamble there, but knew that Taylor always is a threat to explode. By the way, watch the replay and see Taylor’s brilliant stiff arm on Werner.Yep, that is the tackle he broke at the 40. Even if JT had been tackled there, it still likely doesn't result in a TD. It would have been a first down, but with only 0:37 left my guess is that Chryst would have done the same thing on first and 10 from the 40 that he did on first and 10 from the 25: Run JT and hope for a big gain, if not go to the locker room.
not supposed to hit the player's head with your shoulder pad eitherIt's getting to the point a defender will have to allow a ball carrier to go by then trip them up.So many of these plays are band-bang and unitentional collisions.You have to lower your head to make a tackle and your shoulders go with them,by the letter of the rule arm tackles are all that left.Mind you I'm not including intentional cheap shots but sheesh
https://twitter.com/Just_JD38/status/1175478533126262788Pathetic call.
Sounds like I might be missing a pretty epic meltdown on the Wisconsin board.Not that I've seen, but I admit that I don't spend much time on those.