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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #224 on: January 23, 2021, 09:51:09 AM »
Probably be pretty good there.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #225 on: January 23, 2021, 09:52:14 AM »
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« Reply #226 on: January 23, 2021, 10:17:25 AM »
$80K would be plenty to be happy with in Arkansas. Not so much in Orange County, CA.
yes, plenty of factors there
such as, how many ex-wives and daughters you have helping you spend said $80K
I do "get" the point.  At some income level that makes a person "comfortable" there can be more happiness
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #227 on: January 23, 2021, 11:52:03 AM »
$80K would be plenty to be happy with in Arkansas. Not so much in Orange County, CA.
My step son lives in South Beach in SF.  He just moved into a one bedroom apartment that is over $4 K a month.  He works for that fruit company down south of him, and he's a manager, so he makes some good change, quite a bit of which goes to taxes.  CA state income taxes are really obscene.

We were walking about here looking (for fun) at condos and apartments.  He noted that a high end two bedroom condo here would cost him less in mortgage than his apartment.  He was here almost a month and told me he could work here as well as in SF for the time being.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #228 on: January 23, 2021, 12:41:18 PM »
Let's call it a proposal. 

Since happiness plateaus at income of $80,000/yr, I doubt any average wealth gains 160 IQ people have over 130 IQ people have is largely irrelevant in that measure.  My source is a study I saw once. 

I'd be stunned if 160 IQ people didn't have more criminality, psycho behavior, etc than 130 IQ people, per capita.  Idk where to get stats on that.
Got it. You made it up.

And yet my anecdotal information is less worthwhile for this discussion than your imagination. 

Fun rules of your game.

(BTW I actually found a study regarding earnings, which showed that in very high IQ individuals, in this case >140, IQ was correlated with greater earnings. It wasn't as highly important as other traits, but it was a positive correlation. I didn't post it, because it didn't include standard deviation on the earnings so it wouldn't have told us whether there were higher incidence of negative outliers in that population which might support your argument, so I determined it wasn't conclusive to our discussion.)

Is this a true statement? 

A vastly wealthy person COULD have an income of $80 K if he wanted of course.

I'd opine I was happier making more than that than when I made that.

Of course, that was not the sole factor.

I do appreciate that vast wealth brings its own set of unique problems.
It is a pretty well-known study. It's a few years old, and when I first saw it, the threshold was $75K. Not sure if they've redone the study or if wherever OAM quoted it, they indexed the previous study to inflation and now the equivalent is $80K. But I'm familiar with the research he's quoting.

It doesn't mean, of course, that there aren't a lot of advantages to having higher income than that. And I'm sure there's a difference between $80K where he lives and $80K where I live--I'll bet the threshold is higher in SoCal due to cost of living.

Beyond that you can have definite improvements in standard of living, but I think there are often compensating negative factors, like work/life balance, stress, etc. So happiness basically plateaus after that point. Mo' money mo' problems, yo.

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« Reply #229 on: January 23, 2021, 12:42:51 PM »
Its just another stat, based on a study.  

The way you guys peck at stats that are an average of something, it makes me think you don't understand what that means.  Of course, 80K is great in some places and less in others.  Of course.  And of course an average is a combination of it all.  So if you'd like to say "what about San Fran?" then you, yourself can figure out what 80K would be in SF (a larger number, duh) and go with that.  

Or you just like dicking around and bothering me.  
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Hmm, I wonder which it is.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #230 on: January 23, 2021, 12:47:45 PM »
I never saw this study.  I'm curious about it.

I appreciate that having a much higher income brings problems, or can, but I'd rather make $160 K than $80 K obviously.  I certainly was happier making more money than less.  

And it is POSSIBLE for the study to have confused cause and effect obviously.

I know some folks EXPECTED that more money would make them happier and they learned it didn't and that depressed them as they wanted MORE money.   To make them happier.


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« Reply #231 on: January 23, 2021, 12:49:45 PM »
Are you taking into account every very-wealthy guy who got divorced?  

When I hear of a study and find the outcome surprising, I respect the hell out of the study and try to change my thinking.
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« Reply #232 on: January 23, 2021, 12:50:44 PM »
I never saw this study.  I'm curious about it.

I appreciate that having a much higher income brings problems, or can, but I'd rather make $160 K than $80 K obviously.  I certainly was happier making more money than less. 
Well, let's remember 2 things:
1 - what seems to be likely isn't necessarily likely, and
2 - you're just one person

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #233 on: January 23, 2021, 12:51:38 PM »
If someone could link this study, I could probably react to it with more information.


Obviously not every such study is valid or properly done.  Other studies may show a different outcome.


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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #234 on: January 23, 2021, 12:59:35 PM »
$300K is good.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #236 on: January 23, 2021, 01:03:30 PM »
I never saw this study.  I'm curious about it.

I appreciate that having a much higher income brings problems, or can, but I'd rather make $160 K than $80 K obviously.  I certainly was happier making more money than less. 

And it is POSSIBLE for the study to have confused cause and effect obviously.

I know some folks EXPECTED that more money would make them happier and they learned it didn't and that depressed them as they wanted MORE money.  To make them happier.


If someone could link this study, I could probably react to it with more information.


Obviously not every such study is valid or properly done.  Other studies may show a different outcome.


https://www.princeton.edu/~deaton/downloads/deaton_kahneman_high_income_improves_evaluation_August2010.pdf

Title: High income improves evaluation of life but not emotional well-being

Well, let's remember 2 things:
1 - what seems to be likely isn't necessarily likely, and
2 - you're just one person

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Two more...

  • That you think the highly intelligent are likely to be emotionally maladjusted and it to be a burden rather than a benefit doesn't mean it's likely, and
  • You don't know anything about it because your IQ is nowhere near 160.



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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #237 on: January 23, 2021, 01:04:08 PM »
$300K is good.
I think people fail to consider that when you're making a lot more than 80K, you're most often living a life that costs nearly what you're making.  If you get fired or your business goes under, and it all comes crashing down, that fall is harsher.  
The more plates  you have spinning, which naturally comes with more income and more wealth, the more stressful your life is.  

Guys, you seem extra suspicious of a study that goes against your thinking.....those are the exact studies that we should learn from.
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