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OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #84 on:** January 17, 2021, 06:41:56 PM »

I was thinking more along the lines of the LBs and DBs having their own routes - actively running to an area, similar to how receivers have routes. Most zone schemes have defenders shuffling or backpeddling to their zones after disguising coverages and such. But imagine them sprinting on the snap so that what the QB sees pre-snap is completely different than where the defenders are a half-second after the snap.

Gigem · « **Reply #85 on:** January 17, 2021, 08:09:53 PM »

Bama is just at the top of their game right now, but if it wasn't Bama it would be somebody else. How long can any program stay at the top of their game in this era? I'm surprised that OU has been able to maintain a very strong program for the last 20 years, not even the best programs can do that. Case in point, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Texas. I really thought that there would be a big drop off after stoops left but it hasn't been the case.

On the flip side of it is that when Saban decides to leave the chances are good that Bama will not only be not as good but they might in fact be very mediocre. How often does a coaching legend leave and then the successor either elevates the program (impossible in Saban's case) or at least maintains the status quo? The only ones that I can think of is Ryan Day at OSU, Lincoln Riley at OU, and maybe perhaps Jimbo Fisher at FSU but you could make the case that Bowden's program was only a shadow of itself when Jimbo took over. More often than not Legendary coaches are followed by not-so-great Coaches. I think it's also a touch of hyped up expectations where the replacement coach has what would otherwise be deemed a great season (8-10 wins) but falls a little short of program expectations and then the fans want the guy ran out of town and then the next coach drops a notch further.

Bama will suck again, just as FSU sucks now and Clemson sucked ~10+ years ago.

FearlessF · « **Reply #86 on:** January 17, 2021, 09:58:54 PM »

as for helping defense have a chance...

start calling offensive holding penalties

every play I see offensive blockers grabbing handfuls of the defensive players shoulder pads. usually both hands under or on the defensive players shoulder pads. Tugging and twisting and holding

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #87 on:** January 17, 2021, 10:50:51 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on January 17, 2021, 09:58:54 PM

as for helping defense have a chance...

start calling offensive holding penalties

every play I see offensive blockers grabbing handfuls of the defensive players shoulder pads. usually both hands under or on the defensive players shoulder pads. Tugging and twisting and holding

But then defensive players might breathe on the QB too ferociously and give them a panic attack or something.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #88 on:** January 17, 2021, 11:08:12 PM »

I mean, that could be it, right there. The coddling of the QB - and knowing their coddled, they're able to play more brazenly. Back in the day and into the 90s, QBs would routinely get annihilated.

Kris60 · « **Reply #89 on:** January 18, 2021, 08:50:08 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 17, 2021, 06:22:53 PM

What would be the possible benefit of getting tall DLs and have them not so much focus on a rush as simply getting hands up. I know they do this now, but they also try and rush, and get the sack, and I might consider eliminating that. Form a cordon around the QB and hands up when he rears back.

The short passes tend to be more on a line obviously.

The problem with that is in regards to defending the “R” in RPO. If the QB sees the DL standing upright with their hands in the air he’s going to hand it off to the back as offensive linemen get under their pads and drive them backwards.

Kris60 · « **Reply #90 on:** January 18, 2021, 09:01:21 AM »

I’d just like to see the NCAA change the ineligible player downfield rule to one yard. Hell, I remember playing middle school and HS football we were taught the OL couldn’t go past the LOS on passing plays period. It wasn’t until the RPO became a thing a few years ago that I was even aware an OL could be past the LOS somewhat on a pass.

If you are a LB I don’t know how you are supposed to read your keys on a RPO. You see a guard fire off the line, you see a QB put the ball in the gut of the RB, and then all of a sudden he slings a pass to a receiver breaking behind you. If a linemen is past the LOS on a pass throw the flag.

TyphonInc · « **Reply #91 on:** January 19, 2021, 03:28:35 PM »

So I and a couple of RL (Real Life) buddies had some fun discussing parity in College football. We had some off the wall ideas. Here is the premises of the one I liked, it was to have 2 "good recruited" teams in each division of the power 5 (Yah I know B12 only has 1 division, so I'm talking about 9 divisions here.) We decided to get to two "good recruited" teams per division or 4 per conference you would need to have your composite recruiting score for those schools to be in the top 20.

If your conference failed to have recruited 4 teams in the top 20, then that conference would pay other conferences who have more than 4 teams in the top 20 to transfer players. (Kinda like the transfer fee that Pro soccer teams pay.) The players that get selected would come from the team in that conference that had the previous 4 years best ranked average classes.

This thought had a bunch of holes in it, but it dealt specifically with the notion of how to knock Alabama/OSU/Clemson from their lofty recruiting perch. And to hopefully adjust one of the variables to assist with national parity.

For example:
SEC had 6 top 20 recruiting classes (+2 in our metric)
B1G had 5 top 20 (+1)
B12 had 3 top 20 (+1)
ACC had 4 top 20 (+0)
P12 had 2 top 20 (-2)

(1) The Pac would pay SEC to have players from the previous years highest rated class transferred.
(2) The Pac would then pay SEC/B12/B1G conference of whichever team had the next highest rated class.

Those players would then be assigned to the Pac teams that were just outside of the top 20 composite metric.

Fantasy aside, we talked about a hard 85 person cap, and that you had to honor that roster spot all 4 years it is given. No more annual super classes for the heavy hitters.

Gigem · « **Reply #92 on:** January 19, 2021, 04:16:38 PM »

Bama's on top, until they ain't. Why not just out recruit and outplay em the old fashioned way? When they crash, they probably crash hard. There is one program that managed to out-Bama Bama, and they're not even close to being a helmet team.

Well, maybe not out-bama them, but as close as you can get and not be Bama.

FearlessF · « **Reply #93 on:** January 19, 2021, 04:23:41 PM »

hah, heard last night while watching the Kansas/Baylor hoops game

Kentucky, UNC, and Duke all out of the poll, hasn't happened since 1961

rolltidefan · « **Reply #94 on:** January 19, 2021, 05:34:57 PM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on January 19, 2021, 03:28:35 PM

So I and a couple of RL (Real Life) buddies had some fun discussing parity in College football. We had some off the wall ideas. Here is the premises of the one I liked, it was to have 2 "good recruited" teams in each division of the power 5 (Yah I know B12 only has 1 division, so I'm talking about 9 divisions here.) We decided to get to two "good recruited" teams per division or 4 per conference you would need to have your composite recruiting score for those schools to be in the top 20.

If your conference failed to have recruited 4 teams in the top 20, then that conference would pay other conferences who have more than 4 teams in the top 20 to transfer players. (Kinda like the transfer fee that Pro soccer teams pay.) The players that get selected would come from the team in that conference that had the previous 4 years best ranked average classes.

This thought had a bunch of holes in it, but it dealt specifically with the notion of how to knock Alabama/OSU/Clemson from their lofty recruiting perch. And to hopefully adjust one of the variables to assist with national parity.

For example:
SEC had 6 top 20 recruiting classes (+2 in our metric)
B1G had 5 top 20 (+1)
B12 had 3 top 20 (+1)
ACC had 4 top 20 (+0)
P12 had 2 top 20 (-2)

(1) The Pac would pay SEC to have players from the previous years highest rated class transferred.
(2) The Pac would then pay SEC/B12/B1G conference of whichever team had the next highest rated class.

Those players would then be assigned to the Pac teams that were just outside of the top 20 composite metric.

Fantasy aside, we talked about a hard 85 person cap, and that you had to honor that roster spot all 4 years it is given. No more annual super classes for the heavy hitters.

interesting (and terrible, imo, lol) idea, but does it really solve the issue much? seems like it'd just spread out the wealth to the top 20-ish instead of top 5-ish.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #95 on:** January 19, 2021, 06:49:47 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on January 19, 2021, 04:23:41 PM

hah, heard last night while watching the Kansas/Baylor hoops game

Kentucky, UNC, and Duke all out of the poll, hasn't happened since 1961

Wow, that's actually a regular-season college basketball note....of note.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #96 on:** January 19, 2021, 06:50:46 PM »

Quote from: Gigem on January 19, 2021, 04:16:38 PM

Bama's on top, until they ain't. Why not just out recruit and outplay em the old fashioned way? When they crash, they probably crash hard. There is one program that managed to out-Bama Bama, and they're not even close to being a helmet team.

Well, maybe not out-bama them, but as close as you can get and not be Bama.

Bama would drop off like '01 Miami dropped off......all those 5* kids won't forget how to play the next year or 3, post-Saban.

bamajoe · « **Reply #97 on:** January 19, 2021, 08:58:46 PM »

There are a couple cold hard facts that won't be popular in this participation trophy like thread. Number 1, Alabama will not stop being Bama when Saban retires. Despite periodic lulls Bama has been a consistent winner since winning the 1926 Rose Bowl and has done so under Wallace Wade, Frank Thomas, Paul Bryant, Gene Stallings and Nick Saban. So don't get your hopes up.

The second cold hard fact, which has not been addressed at all in this thread, is investment in the program. If your school plays in a 50 year old dumpster, has a dumbbell for a weight room, and spends 10 per cent as much on recruiting as the big boys, you are not going to beat them and you shouldn't. If you want to compete with Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. stop whining and start competing.

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