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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2021, 02:04:09 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 14, 2021, 08:28:50 PM
the Canes are going to be top 10 good?
Who said that?
Miami is a non-creampuff getting a green Bama offense in the season-opener.  If that's not an opportunity to Buster Douglas the Tide, I don't know what is.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2021, 09:48:47 AM »
sorry, I should of said top 15

the last time Bama lost to a team outside the top 15 was to #19 South Carolina in 2010

gotta go back to that gawdawful year of 2007 to find a loss to an unranked team
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2021, 09:54:24 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 15, 2021, 09:48:47 AM


the last time Bama lost to a team outside the top 15 was to #19 South Carolina in 2010

gotta go back to that gawdawful glorious year of 2007 to find a loss to an unranked team
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2021, 10:18:46 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2021, 02:04:09 AM
Who said that?
Miami is a non-creampuff getting a green Bama offense in the season-opener.  If that's not an opportunity to Buster Douglas the Tide, I don't know what is.
I've seen Miami ranked top 12 in some "too early" rankings.  I'm sure many of us are wary of such a prediction.


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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2021, 10:43:09 AM »
When's the last time Bama lost a season opener?  Probably before Saban is my guess (I don't even remember the 2007 season lol).

Bama may be breaking in a lot of new starters, but they're still going to be talented and insanely well-coached.  I don't think Manny Diaz is the answer for the Canes, and while they have enough talent to at least push Bama, I think they're going to be badly outcoached and will probably lose by at least 17.

There aren't many teams that are capable of knocking off the Tide in the opener, as having some serious firepower is a must.  If there's one team in the country that has the firepower, it's Oklahoma.  Spencer Mahomes, errr, Rattler, is on the Heisman shortlist for 2021 and it's too bad that they won't have a chance to play until (potentially) the playoffs.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2021, 10:48:01 AM »
The Crimson Tide hasn't lost a neutral-site season opener since 1958 vs. LSU in Mobile — Paul W. “Bear” Bryant's first game coaching the Crimson Tide, which lost 13-3 to the eventual national champions. Overall, Alabama has played its season opener in 19 different cities, w
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2021, 10:48:37 AM »

The Crimson Tide's most recent loss in a season-opening game came 20-17 to UCLA on Sept. 1, 2001 to begin the controversial tenure of head coach Dennis Franchione.


Coach Fran would only stay in Tuscaloosa for two seasons before darting to College Station and taking over the Aggies of Texas A&M. He left under the cover of darkness after convincing many tide Seniors to “hold the rope,” and play for him. It was a despicable move from which he never recovered. He lasted five years in College Station before he was forced to resign. This would be his last high profile coaching job. Karma has a way of… being Karma.


Bama would also endure some dark times. Mike Shula took over the program after spring practice had been wrapped up. Mike Price was supposed to coach the 2003 team but some transgressions involving a company credit card and strippers changed the plan. Shula led the program through its darkest years since JB “Ears” Whitworth was in town.


Shula tried and he should be commended for leading the team when no one else would or could, but he just didn’t have it in him to be a winner at Alabama. He lasted until the end of the 2006 season, at which time Athletic director Mal Moore took a trip to south Florida and refused to leave until Nick Saban left with him. The rest, as they say, is history that is still being made. Roll Tide!
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2021, 10:53:16 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 15, 2021, 09:48:47 AM
sorry, I should of said top 15

the last time Bama lost to a team outside the top 15 was to #19 South Carolina in 2010

gotta go back to that gawdawful year of 2007 to find a loss to an unranked team
Another aspect of a great coach - beat who you're supposed to beat.  
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And as I've said in the past, the best a HC can do is to make his team the favorite in every game.  If you beat who you're supposed to beat and you're always the favorite, well.....that's how you win the NC every other year.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2021, 10:54:44 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 15, 2021, 10:48:01 AM
The Crimson Tide hasn't lost a neutral-site season opener since 1958 vs. LSU in Mobile — Paul W. “Bear” Bryant's first game coaching the Crimson Tide, which lost 13-3 to the eventual national champions. Overall, Alabama has played its season opener in 19 different cities, w
How many times were they breaking in replacements for their QB, top 2 RB, best 2 WR, and best O-lineman?  
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2021, 11:06:43 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2021, 10:53:16 AM
Another aspect of a great coach - beat who you're supposed to beat. 
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And as I've said in the past, the best a HC can do is to make his team the favorite in every game.  If you beat who you're supposed to beat and you're always the favorite, well.....that's how you win the NC every other year.

Georgia has rarely not been the favorite under Smart, but of course there are in game decisions on his part that have been ... questionable, or at least didn't work.

I think they went three seasons as favorite in every game, or close to it.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2021, 02:14:25 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2021, 10:53:16 AM
Another aspect of a great coach - beat who you're supposed to beat. 
In fairness, that's Jim Harbaugh.

Prior to this weird year how many games did he lose that he shouldn't have?  2017 vs. MSU.  2016 at Iowa?

And that's a stretch
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2021, 02:25:41 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 14, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
Back on-topic, if you want to catch Alabama, 2021 would be a great year to do it.  Yes, they have 4 and 5-stars filling in, but they lose:
QB
top 2 RB ( just 1, robinson is likely coming back)
best 2 WR
best OL (possibly 3 altogether) (i'm expecting to have to replace at least 4 of the 5)
their best pass-rusher (losing baremore, who is great, but definitely not the best pass rusher. he was a terror in middle though. will anderson, a true frosh, is by far best pass rusher)
most experienced LB
best CB
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So they're NOT scoring 49 points per game next year.  Their OC is gone, obviously, as well. 
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Schedule-wise, with so much new talent stepping in, they open against Miami.  In the SEC, they travel to Florida, Auburn, and A&M.  If King is healthy for the Canes, that could be a loss right off the bat. 
just correcting a few things, though point still stands.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2021, 02:44:41 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2021, 10:54:44 AM
How many times were they breaking in replacements for their QB, top 2 RB, best 2 WR, and best O-lineman? 
2008 (jpw, coffee, grant, mccoy, andre smith)
2011 (gmac, ingram, julio, carpenter)
2015 (sims, cooper, white, yeldon, arie k)
2018 (hurts (kinda), jacobs, harris, scarbo, ridley, foster, bozeman, warmack)
2020 (tua, jeudy, ruggs, wills)

those aren't only people lost those years, just off top of my head. other big time players were lost in some of those years for sure, especially d players on the 08-15 years.

those years resulted in:
08 - undefeated regular season, lost in seccg and bowl
11 - national title
15 - national title
18 - undefeated reg season sec champs, lost in cfp final
20 - undefeated national champs
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2021, 02:48:20 PM »
Having an inexperienced QB is obviously problematic in Game One, often as not, even a talented one.

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