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"It's the whole body of work."

I'm starting to dislike that phrase.

and by the way- there's a possibility Saban could've been at Michigan in 2008 after Carr retired had Rich Rodriguez not turned Alabama down. That job was his. He had the contract in hand ready to sign, and Rich turned it down. Only to take the Michigan job the next year. Bastage.

Oddly enough, that Orange Bowl took Michigan to face... Alabama. That was an awesome game to watch, after watching Wisconsin win the Rose Bowl.

Didn't that Orange go to OT? Also I can't remember. Was that game actually IN the Orange Bowl, or was it at Joe Robbie or whatever the hell it's called?

Oddly enough, that Orange Bowl took Michigan to face... Alabama. That was an awesome game to watch, after watching Wisconsin win the Rose Bowl.

Didn't that Orange go to OT? Also I can't remember. Was that game actually IN the Orange Bowl, or was it at Joe Robbie or whatever the hell it's called?

yep, Michigan won that game in OT. Alabama missed the XP in OT and Michigan won 35-34. Tom Brady was absolutely magnificent that day. Brought them back from two 14-point deficits. Threw for like 380 yards and 4 TD's. Should've been a sign of things to come- but everyone missed it.
That was played at what was then called Pro Player Stadium. It's called Hard Rock Stadium now and has underwent- I don't know- hundreds and hundreds of millions in renovations. Completely different stadium. Absolutely beautiful stadium now.
I don't think any teams played in the actual Orange Bowl since the 80s man. And I think that thing has since been demolished since at least the 90s.

Yeah, I agree recruiting is the biggest advantage, bit not because you are near a singular recruit but because any recruit who casually follows games turns it on NYD and sees UM.  And that you can also sell other recruits that if they come to UM, even if they have a blah year, you'll get to play in marquee games over more deserving teams.  It's a self fulfilling prophesy for helmet teams.  They get their continued excellence aided by their name, results be damned.

That's what bugs me most of all is the disadvantage going forward.  You try to sell a recruit, and you beat UM, and try to plug that, and UM can counter with the fact that it doesn't matter because you'll play in a more marquee postseason game anyway, even with a worse season and a head to head loss.

It's why the fact that MSU has dominated head to head for a decade is all the more shocking.  UM still has every built in advantage.

Yeah, I agree recruiting is the biggest advantage, bit not because you are near a singular recruit but because any recruit who casually follows games turns it on NYD and sees UM.  And that you can also sell other recruits that if they come to UM, even if they have a blah year, you'll get to play in marquee games over more deserving teams.  It's a self fulfilling prophesy for helmet teams.  They get their continued excellence aided by their name, results be damned.

I disagree. I don't think it's a recruiting advantage being on tv, Michigan is on tv every week. Recruits will/won't watch regardless. Doesn't change anything. And I don't think kids care about what bowl games they play in. Unless it's a playoff. Not sure kids are thinking oh, I'll get to play in the Outback over the Holiday! They don't give a rats.

I think it's a major recruiting advantage being in that area and getting I think they get 15 or 16 bowl practices they can come to and get a hands on approach of how the coach is with players and runs practice and get a sideline pass for the game and watch the game and get a feel for the team.

THAT is a way bigger recruiting advantage IMO. Michigan is recruiting a lot of 2018, 2019, and 2020 kids from that region in Florida. They'll be able to jump in the car and go check them out for free instead of having to fly 1,300 miles to Ann Arbor, rent a car, and get a hotel.

I know UW will be active in the Miami area recruiting that week. Lots of irons in the fire down there.

I know UW will be active in the Miami area recruiting that week. Lots of irons in the fire down there.

you invite them to the practices, give them sideline passes for the game- they get to see the coaches/players interact with the team up close and personal in a way they just wouldn't be able to. That is so invaluable when you are recruiting kids from so far away. Could potentially even tip the scales with a kid that's on the fence.
Just sucks for UW that Miami is playing a fricken' home game. I don't think that should be allowed honestly. They should make a conscious effort to match UW up with a different team if it is a literal home game for the proposed opponet.