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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2017, 10:43:38 AM
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Beyond the playoff sites, I think it might look like this:
Fiesta: Wisconsin vs. Southern California in a mini Rose Bowl
Cotton: Auburn vs. TCU in a blood bath
Peach: Miami vs. UCF in a shootout
Orange: Penn State vs. Alabama just like the old days
Not a bad slate if it turns out.
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I like your lineup.
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No Notre Dame?
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Nope. They are not deserving of a spot.
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Well, my lineup is screwed now. OSU is going to play USC, I'm sure.
I just hope UW doesn't get stuck in the Cotton, or having to play a G5 again. Either would be a huge slap in the face.
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Few things to remember:
The committee does not set the Orange Bowl. It is ACC vs Big Ten/SEC/Notre Dame (generally highest ranked). Also very relevant, but the Cotton will not have a G5 as they will have to be the bowl in a few years (when Peach and Fiesta host semi finals).
With those in mind, my other guesses are:
Fiesta:USC vs Ohio State (wanted Rose Bowl more than in the semi finals and really wish it was not a semin this year)
Orange: Miami vs. Wisconsin
Peach: UCF vs. Auburn
Cotton: Penn State vs. TCU
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Not NY6, but Now rumors are Stanford-TCU in Alamo, which I guess puts Washington in Holiday. Maybe to get Michigan to agree to play there, if the rumors are true that Harbaugh didn't want to play Stanford are true.
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Not NY6, but Now rumors are Stanford-TCU in Alamo, which I guess puts Washington in Holiday. Maybe to get Michigan to agree to play there, if the rumors are true that Harbaugh didn't want to play Stanford are true.
Immediately after that announcement Jerry Palm flipped his pick to UM to Holiday, MSU to Outback
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Sounds like UM to Outback, MSU to Holiday is official.
If you aren't a helmet, why bother sending your guys out there and risking injury once you hit 6 wins and can't get to Indy?
In the end it'll just be the helmets anyway.
The only Big Ten team playing on New Year's Day is the 6th place team. Nice work Delany.
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Immediately after that announcement Jerry Palm flipped his pick to UM to Holiday, MSU to Outback
McMurphy still saying Outback for Michigan. Hope that's true. An extra week around that 5* OT Petite-Ferre out of Tampa and him coming to the game on the Michigan sideline might push Michigan over the top in that one. He just visited and Michigan surged into his top 3 but it's an all-out war for him.
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Sounds like UM to Outback, MSU to Holiday is official.
If you aren't a helmet, why bother sending your guys out there and risking injury once you hit 6 wins and can't get to Indy?
In the end it'll just be the helmets anyway.
The only Big Ten team playing on New Year's Day is the 6th place team. Nice work Delany.
the bowls are literally all worthless. and there are way too many of them.
if you have expectations like MSU has built up and like Michigan is trying to get to, if you aren't playing in the B1G CG and a play-off spot or in the Rose (which THE bowl outside of the playoff) - who cares?
That's just my two cents.
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The sport is working towards driving me away, as it has more and more every year. Because they play the whole "every game matters" card to death, when really it's not even close. In the end, if you have an army of non alum fans and attract eyeballs, they'll bend over backwards to make sure life is good for you and completely ignore results. Really the only sport that literally doesn't give a shit about the results at all.
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Same MICHIGAN beat writer
https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/937414116553113600
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The sport is working towards driving me away, as it has more and more every year. Because they play the whole "every game matters" card to death, when really it's not even close. In the end, if you have an army of non alum fans and attract eyeballs, they'll bend over backwards to make sure life is good for you and completely ignore results. Really the only sport that literally doesn't give a crap about the results at all.
hasn't it always been that way?
I think they have needed to clean the sport up a lot for a very long time.
Sounded like Saban was talking about P5 schools only playing P5 opponents from now on and also playing every team in their conference. He's a duplicitous weasel, but I can get down with that. For sure.
It's just so subjective, how do you pick the top 4 teams based on eye ball tests. Only way to do it is to make the schedules more equitable and to make some kind of guideline.
Maybe ban FCS opponents, do away with neutral site games and force more home and home OOC P5 games, and then go to a 6 team playoff where the P5 Conference champs are auto-bids and the 6th spot is like a wild-card spot- next man in.
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Same MICHIGAN beat writer
https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/937414116553113600
didn't he graduate from Michigan State? Just sayin'.
Anywho, who is he kidding? Like that wasn't expected. It would've been more of a shock if it didn't shake out like that.
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as we all know, networks and therefore $$$ will dictate the direction of the sport
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Yeah, I've had my plan, which I will post the bowl lineups again under tomorrow.
I think if their only goal is to cater to 7 or 8 fan bases, split off, and let those 8 just play each other, like when the top level of British soccer did it.
In the end, it's very shortsighted to alienate everyone else. You move to a more hard slotted system, and have the system build bigger and bigger each day, it helps the sport by making games relevant even after teams are bowl eligible. As it is, why did I watch MSUs last two games
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Yeah, I've had my plan, which I will post the bowl lineups again under tomorrow.
I think if their only goal is to cater to 7 or 8 fan bases, split off, and let those 8 just play each other, like when the top level of British soccer did it.
In the end, it's very shortsighted to alienate everyone else. You move to a more hard slotted system, and have the system build bigger and bigger each day, it helps the sport by making games relevant even after teams are bowl eligible. As it is, why did I watch MSUs last two games
because you love your team and your team was playing? I'd watch Michigan play any game. Plus those, were conference games. Winning in the B1G is always important. Should be goal #1.
They could fix the thing really easily. There are like 129 FBS teams now. It is absolutely fricken' ridiculous to have that many teams in FBS when the sport required 85 scholarship players and 105 players on a roster. It's not like basketball where 1 or 2 guys can make an entire team. It takes all 105.
I feel like they should just expand this thing to 6 teams, give P5 conference champs an auto-bid and put the next man in. Or even let the #6 and #7 ranked team play for a wild-card to earn that 6th right to get into the playoff. Wouldn't be such a bad idea, reward the P5 champs a bye week for winning their conference.
It's an easy fix, IMO.
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OSU-USC in the Cotton.
PSU-Washington in the Fiesta
Wisconsin-Miami in the Orange
Auburn-UCF in the Peach
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OSU-USC in the Cotton.
PSU-Washington in the Fiesta
Pac vs. B1G? Those have some Rose Bowl flavor to them. I like.
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Yeah, the Cotton Bowl is a legit "Rose Bowl" with the two Conference champs.
Only this time it's not in USC's back yard.
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because you love your team and your team was playing? I'd watch Michigan play any game. Plus those, were conference games. Winning in the B1G is always important. Should be goal #1.
They could fix the thing really easily. There are like 129 FBS teams now. It is absolutely fricken' ridiculous to have that many teams in FBS when the sport required 85 scholarship players and 105 players on a roster. It's not like basketball where 1 or 2 guys can make an entire team. It takes all 105.
I feel like they should just expand this thing to 6 teams, give P5 conference champs an auto-bid and put the next man in. Or even let the #6 and #7 ranked team play for a wild-card to earn that 6th right to get into the playoff. Wouldn't be such a bad idea, reward the P5 champs a bye week for winning their conference.
It's an easy fix, IMO.
Yeah, that's why I said the last two games, Big Ten title was lost.
I love my team, but I wouldn't watch exhibition games, and they are telling me that's all the last two games are. Hell, if LJ Scott had sat those two games out, I couldn't argue against it. The Big Ten just told him those are nothing more than exhibitions
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Yeah, the Cotton Bowl is a legit "Rose Bowl" with the two Conference champs.
Only this time it's not in USC's back yard.
bowl games should never be in a teams back yard. Kinda BS that USC had that advantage for so long.
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Yeah, that's why I said the last two games, Big Ten title was lost.
I love my team, but I wouldn't watch exhibition games, and they are telling me that's all the last two games are. Hell, if LJ Scott had sat those two games out, I couldn't argue against it. The Big Ten just told him those are nothing more than exhibitions
No, they are telling you that's all that bowl games are- exhibition games. Because that's what they are. That's all they've ever been.
They are a nice little reward for not sucking, a free trip for the players, who get to do some cool stuff and get free stuff, and that's it. That's all they are really.
The only post-season games that matter are the CCG's and the playoff games. And that's the way it should be.
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hasn't it always been that way?
I think they have needed to clean the sport up a lot for a very long time.
Sounded like Saban was talking about P5 schools only playing P5 opponents from now on and also playing every team in their conference. He's a duplicitous weasel, but I can get down with that. For sure.
It's just so subjective, how do you pick the top 4 teams based on eye ball tests. Only way to do it is to make the schedules more equitable and to make some kind of guideline.
Maybe ban FCS opponents, do away with neutral site games and force more home and home OOC P5 games, and then go to a 6 team playoff where the P5 Conference champs are auto-bids and the 6th spot is like a wild-card spot- next man in.
Saban is so full of shit. They should have been playing a home and home with MSU instead of playing Mercer but instead they backed out because we refused to go neutral site
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Saban is so full of crap. They should have been playing a home and home with MSU instead of playing Mercer but instead they backed out because we refused to go neutral site
Yes, I know this. That's why I said he's a duplicitous weasel.
But I do like that idea. Neutral site games in the regular season should be a big NO NO. That's what the bowl games are for.
I think winning your conference should matter. But so should playing more of the teams in your conference. 8 conference games are unacceptable like the SEC does it. Should go to 10. So should the B1G.
I think you go to 6 team playoff and force conferences to go to 10 conference games, then each P5 conference winner gets an auto-bid- and to a wild-card game for #6 vs #7 for that last spot- would solve a lot of problems- and be pretty cool and make the sport a hell of a lot better.
If they had that scenario....
USC- Pac Champ
Oklahoma- Big 12 champ
OSU- B1G champ
Clemson- ACC champ
Georgia- SEC champ
all auto in, winning the conference should matter, and Bama would have to be play whoever it would be- for a spot to get in- and not just be handed a spot because they are Alabama.
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No, they are telling you that's all that bowl games are- exhibition games. Because that's what they are. That's all they've ever been.
They are a nice little reward for not sucking, a free trip for the players, who get to do some cool stuff and get free stuff, and that's it. That's all they are really.
The only post-season games that matter are the CCG's and the playoff games. And that's the way it should be.
Please tell me the meaning of those last two games then?
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Well, it's off NYD but the advantage is MSU-WSU is a solid matchup of ranked teams, and the Outback winds up with two unranked teams. Solid matchup of the 6th place Big Ten team and the 5th place SEC team.
Still like playing on NYD, but I like getting the relevant matchup.
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Please tell me the meaning of those last two games then?
seriously? well they were conference games.
so MSU should've just mailed it in during the regular season in CONFERENCE games?
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Well, it's off NYD but the advantage is MSU-WSU is a solid matchup of ranked teams, and the Outback winds up with two unranked teams. Solid matchup of the 6th place Big Ten team and the 5th place SEC team.
Still like playing on NYD, but I like getting the relevant matchup.
B1G, B1G, B1G
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Well, it's off NYD but the advantage is MSU-WSU is a solid matchup of ranked teams, and the Outback winds up with two unranked teams. Solid matchup of the 6th place Big Ten team and the 5th place SEC team.
Still like playing on NYD, but I like getting the relevant matchup.
I don't care about the bowl, playing on NYD or the match-up.
I care about the 'crootin. Really think if Michigan did push for the Outback behind the scenes, it would've been for 'crootin purposes. Like I said, there's a 5* OT they are hot after right down the street from the Outback in Tampa.
Harbaugh has been trying to crack into Georgia, Florida, and the Carolinas really hard. Last 3 bowls will have all been played in Florida against SEC/ACC teams.
2015 they played Florida in Orlando (SEC), 2016 they played FSU (ACC) in Miami and 2017 they'll play South Carolina (SEC) in Tampa.
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seriously? well they were conference games.
so MSU should've just mailed it in during the regular season in CONFERENCE games?
Why not? They were meaningless. They have the same meaning as bowl games. They impact your record, but other than that, nothing. Finishing two games ahead of UM in the standings meant nothing. How does a Big Ten game mean more than a bowl game then? Once the conference title is gone. I can't think of a single reason.
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Why not? They were meaningless. They have the same meaning as bowl games. They impact your record, but other than that, nothing. Finishing two games ahead of UM in the standings meant nothing. How does a Big Ten game mean more than a bowl game then? Once the conference title is gone. I can't think of a single reason.
Eh.
Conference games are more important to me than bowl games. Always will be.
Unless that bowl game is the Rose- which I guess that angle is kinda gone now- so unless that bowl game is the playoff- I could give two shiites less about a bowl game. But hey that's just me.
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I would have much preferred the Fiesta against Washington than a game against Miami in their home stadium in front of 35,000 people. There won't be many UW fans at that one, I'm guessing, and Miami has no fans. UW fans are Florida tired after all those Outback and Citrus bowls. Lots and lots of alumni out West though. That would have been nice for the fans.
Oh well.
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Why not? They were meaningless. They have the same meaning as bowl games. They impact your record, but other than that, nothing. Finishing two games ahead of UM in the standings meant nothing. How does a Big Ten game mean more than a bowl game then? Once the conference title is gone. I can't think of a single reason.
And this is one of the reasons why Saban left MSU too. That Orange Bowl snub was the last straw.
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the Badger fans should show up for a couple reasons
new very warm destination
support a record breaking team
if they don't show up, that's on them
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Finishing two games ahead of UM in the standings meant nothing.
I don't buy this. If you really think Harbaugh is a crap coach and you can beat him 7 outa 10 then this doesn't matter, let Jimmy look good and let your fiercest rival keep him as a coach.
I think you ALWAYS want to finish 2 games ahead of your rival regardless of conference championship possibilities
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Well, it's off NYD but the advantage is MSU-WSU is a solid matchup of ranked teams, and the Outback winds up with two unranked teams. Solid matchup of the 6th place Big Ten team and the 5th place SEC team.
Still like playing on NYD, but I like getting the relevant matchup.
The time and channel of the game sucks. Better match up sure. But no denying that both MSU and WSU have significantly better resumes than the two teams playing on NYD.
Players are pretty annoyed on twitter.
But of course Dantonio says the right thing.
https://twitter.com/Graham_Couch/status/937430157962432512
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I don't buy this. If you really think Harbaugh is a crap coach and you can beat him 7 outa 10 then this doesn't matter, let Jimmy look good and let your fiercest rival keep him as a coach.
I think you ALWAYS want to finish 2 games ahead of your rival regardless of conference championship possibilities
Because? What is the reward?
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And this is one of the reasons why Saban left MSU too. That Orange Bowl snub was the last straw.
Don't blame him. "Best regular season" is a total farse. It's literally the least relevant regular season, because it's the only one where the postseason actively ignores the results of the regular season.
If the NFL had the "best regular season" the sub .500 Packers and Cowboys would already have clinched a playoff spot.
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The time and channel of the game sucks. Better match up sure. But no denying that both MSU and WSU have significantly better resumes than the two teams playing on NYD.
Players are pretty annoyed on twitter.
But of course Dantonio says the right thing.
https://twitter.com/Graham_Couch/status/937430157962432512
time and channel. why do you think they picked Michigan? All the bowls care about are tv ratings and dollars. Not the match ups.
When did playing on NYD become such a big deal aside from the 6 major bowl games? Which by the way- don't play on New Years Day if New Years day falls on a Sunday.
Players are annoyed...why exactly? It's just a bowl game. Not like they got snubbed for a playoff spot. OSU players should be annoyed by what happened to them.
Dantonio says the right thing...because it is the right thing. Do you think he cares about playing in the Holiday bowl or the Outback bowl or the Applebees bowl or the Taco Bell Bowl or do you think he cares about beating Michigan? Pretty obvious to me.
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And this is one of the reasons why Saban left MSU too. That Orange Bowl snub was the last straw.
No.
Saban left MSU because LSU was offering 1,000,000+ reasons. They gave him almost unheard of money at the time and made him one of the 2 or 3 highest paid coaches in college football at the time.
That's why he left. People can have revisionist history if they like though.
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Because? What is the reward?
spitting in your rival's eye
that should be worth a TON!
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Don't blame him. "Best regular season" is a total farse. It's literally the least relevant regular season, because it's the only one where the postseason actively ignores the results of the regular season.
If the NFL had the "best regular season" the sub .500 Packers and Cowboys would already have clinched a playoff spot.
Huh? What?
The NFL has an actual post-season with a playoff where you have to win your division to get in. There is no subjectivity to that playoff system at all. It's objective.
Win your division and you are in. Have the best record and win all the tie-breakers and you get a wild-card spot.
College football does not have a true post-season. It never has.
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time and channel. why do you think they picked Michigan? All the bowls care about are tv ratings and dollars. Not the match ups.
Dantonio says the right thing...because it is the right thing. Do you think he cares about playing in the Holiday bowl or the Outback bowl or the Applebees bowl or the Taco Bell Bowl or do you think he cares about beating Michigan? Pretty obvious to me.
true and true
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by the way, in case people forget, in 1999 when LSU hired Saban, they offered him $1.2+ million a year which could balloon up to north of $1.5 million with incentives- incentives he ultimately matched.
At that time only Bowden and Spurrier were making in the neighborhood of $1 million a year. Saban was making like $600+K per year at Michigan State. LSU effectively doubled his salary off the bat and promised him even more if he hit those incentives. MSU was never going to match that contract in 1999.
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Huh? What?
The NFL has an actual post-season with a playoff where you have to win your division to get in. There is no subjectivity to that playoff system at all. It's objective.
Win your division and you are in. Have the best record and win all the tie-breakers and you get a wild-card spot.
College football does not have a true post-season. It never has.
Which is why best regular season is a farse. If your postseason ignores your regular season, your regular season, your regular season is irrelevant.
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true and true
Nobody has any doubt as to why UM jumped two teams in bowl selection. Doesn't make it any less shitty.
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spitting in your rival's eye
that should be worth a TON!
UM fans know what's what, unless they've been asleep for a decade.
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Nobody has any doubt as to why UM jumped two teams in bowl selection. Doesn't make it any less crapty.
it may take 3 or 4 decades, but this is the reason to concentrate on beating your rival
and enjoying rubbing their nose in it
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the Badger fans should show up for a couple reasons
new very warm destination
support a record breaking team
if they don't show up, that's on them
I could be wrong. This would the second time if I am. There have been many second times, by the way.
All I know is that there are a shitload of Alumni out West who would have loved to make a short drive to Phoenix for that game. There are very few in Florida.
We will be landing at ORD at 5PM that day from a week in LA. I'm glad I'll get to watch it at least. Had they been in the Fiesta, I'd have extended the trip and gone to the game, flying home from PHX on NYE as opposed to LAX.
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Brandon Peters has been cleared to practice. He's A-OK now.
S&P+ favors Michigan by 9 over South Carolina.
Vegas line already opens favoring South Carolina by 8.5.
I rarely bet, but man that seems to good to pass up. Peters will be back at QB, South Carolina played in a very weak SEC East, lost to Kentucky, and has even worse ranked offensive rankings in the S&P+ than Michigan. I don't think South Carolina will win by more than a TD if they even win at all that is.
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No.
Saban left MSU because LSU was offering 1,000,000+ reasons. They gave him almost unheard of money at the time and made him one of the 2 or 3 highest paid coaches in college football at the time.
That's why he left. People can have revisionist history if they like though.
My good friend.. Mr. Saban said it himself. He left to get out of the Big Blue shadow. LSU just happened to be the school with the $$ at the time. This is among the many things he has said over the years.
Another one of my favorites is when the CFP was looking at having playoff games in Big Ten country.
He said it wouldn't be fair because he wouldn't want his players to have to wear gloves. I shit you not.
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My good friend.. Mr. Saban said it himself. He left to get out of the Big Blue shadow. LSU just happened to be the school with the $$ at the time. This is among the many things he has said over the years.
Another one of my favorites is when the CFP was looking at having playoff games in Big Ten country.
He said it wouldn't be fair because he wouldn't want his players to have to wear gloves. I crap you not.
Mr. Saban says a lot of things. We know he's a duplicitous little weasel.
I'm sure he left just because of being in Michigan's shadow...and not because he was offered a truck load of money. If MSU offered him more money than what LSU did, he'd have stayed there.
He took the Dolphins job because they made him the 2nd highest paid coach in the NFL going into 2005 behind only Belichik, at $4.5 million a year. He was struggling in the NFL and not liking his job and the NFL, and going into 2007 Alabama offered to make him the highest paid coach in college football history (at the time) at $4 million a year so he took the job.
Alabama has kept giving him fat pay increases to stay there. His compensation this year? $11+ million.
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and by the way- there's a possibility Saban could've been at Michigan in 2008 after Carr retired had Rich Rodriguez not turned Alabama down. That job was his. He had the contract in hand ready to sign, and Rich turned it down. Only to take the Michigan job the next year. Bastage.
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Same MICHIGAN beat writer
https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/937414116553113600
my wife grew up with Nick... good guy! pretty decent snow boarder, too.... :72:
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Brandon Peters has been cleared to practice. He's A-OK now.
S&P+ favors Michigan by 9 over South Carolina.
Vegas line already opens favoring South Carolina by 8.5.
I rarely bet, but man that seems to good to pass up. Peters will be back at QB, South Carolina played in a very weak SEC East, lost to Kentucky, and has even worse ranked offensive rankings in the S&P+ than Michigan. I don't think South Carolina will win by more than a TD if they even win at all that is.
Ideal scenario, back into a NYD game against a shitty, unranked, easily beatable opponent
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"It's the whole body of work."
I'm starting to dislike that phrase. :smiley_confused1:
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The Dallas Cowboys are NOT sub .500, thank you very little. :)
And Nick Saban is a lying sack of shit. He knows the SEC will never make a rule against scheduling FCS teams, so he lies and lies and lies and pretends he doesn't absolutely love having Mercer on the schedule. He can either put his money where his mouth is and stop scheduling pathetic cupcakes, or he can shut the hell up. We all know how that will turn out, though.
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and by the way- there's a possibility Saban could've been at Michigan in 2008 after Carr retired had Rich Rodriguez not turned Alabama down. That job was his. He had the contract in hand ready to sign, and Rich turned it down. Only to take the Michigan job the next year. Bastage.
Oddly enough, that Orange Bowl took Michigan to face... Alabama. That was an awesome game to watch, after watching Wisconsin win the Rose Bowl.
Didn't that Orange go to OT? Also I can't remember. Was that game actually IN the Orange Bowl, or was it at Joe Robbie or whatever the hell it's called?
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Ideal scenario, back into a NYD game against a crapty, unranked, easily beatable opponent
yeah, couldn't have gotten a better break. They pull out a convincing win against an SEC team to move to 9-4, can spin it to recruits- even though it's not at all that impressive and just a dumb bowl game against a mediocre 8-4 SEC team.
Wonder if Michigan/Harbaugh will try to get their bowl practices at that IMG Academy or the HS of wherever that 5* OT Petite-Frere they are recruiting is at.
I remember one year where Saban had his bowl practices at 5* safety HaHa Clinton-Dix and 5* RB Dee Hart HS. Saban landed both of those guys on NSD. Nick is a crafty one.
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Oddly enough, that Orange Bowl took Michigan to face... Alabama. That was an awesome game to watch, after watching Wisconsin win the Rose Bowl.
Didn't that Orange go to OT? Also I can't remember. Was that game actually IN the Orange Bowl, or was it at Joe Robbie or whatever the hell it's called?
yep, Michigan won that game in OT. Alabama missed the XP in OT and Michigan won 35-34. Tom Brady was absolutely magnificent that day. Brought them back from two 14-point deficits. Threw for like 380 yards and 4 TD's. Should've been a sign of things to come- but everyone missed it.
That was played at what was then called Pro Player Stadium. It's called Hard Rock Stadium now and has underwent- I don't know- hundreds and hundreds of millions in renovations. Completely different stadium. Absolutely beautiful stadium now.
I don't think any teams played in the actual Orange Bowl since the 80s man. And I think that thing has since been demolished since at least the 90s.
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Yeah, the Cotton Bowl is a legit "Rose Bowl" with the two Conference champs.
Only this time it's not in USC's back yard.
Can we rename Cotten Bowl to that? The Legit Rose Bowl, I like it.
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Yeah, I agree recruiting is the biggest advantage, bit not because you are near a singular recruit but because any recruit who casually follows games turns it on NYD and sees UM. And that you can also sell other recruits that if they come to UM, even if they have a blah year, you'll get to play in marquee games over more deserving teams. It's a self fulfilling prophesy for helmet teams. They get their continued excellence aided by their name, results be damned.
That's what bugs me most of all is the disadvantage going forward. You try to sell a recruit, and you beat UM, and try to plug that, and UM can counter with the fact that it doesn't matter because you'll play in a more marquee postseason game anyway, even with a worse season and a head to head loss.
It's why the fact that MSU has dominated head to head for a decade is all the more shocking. UM still has every built in advantage.
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Why is it the "NYD6" if the game is on December 29th?
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Yeah, I agree recruiting is the biggest advantage, bit not because you are near a singular recruit but because any recruit who casually follows games turns it on NYD and sees UM. And that you can also sell other recruits that if they come to UM, even if they have a blah year, you'll get to play in marquee games over more deserving teams. It's a self fulfilling prophesy for helmet teams. They get their continued excellence aided by their name, results be damned.
I disagree. I don't think it's a recruiting advantage being on tv, Michigan is on tv every week. Recruits will/won't watch regardless. Doesn't change anything. And I don't think kids care about what bowl games they play in. Unless it's a playoff. Not sure kids are thinking oh, I'll get to play in the Outback over the Holiday! They don't give a rats.
I think it's a major recruiting advantage being in that area and getting I think they get 15 or 16 bowl practices they can come to and get a hands on approach of how the coach is with players and runs practice and get a sideline pass for the game and watch the game and get a feel for the team.
THAT is a way bigger recruiting advantage IMO. Michigan is recruiting a lot of 2018, 2019, and 2020 kids from that region in Florida. They'll be able to jump in the car and go check them out for free instead of having to fly 1,300 miles to Ann Arbor, rent a car, and get a hotel.
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I thought Michigan was concentrating its recruiting to Rome.
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I know UW will be active in the Miami area recruiting that week. Lots of irons in the fire down there.
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I thought Michigan was concentrating its recruiting to Rome.
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man you can hate all you want, but I thought that was fricken' awesome.
I've only been to Rome twice and I absolutely love it. One of my favorite places I have ever been. And if I could get a free trip I'd take it.
I thought that was really cool, and it's something those kids will remember forever. Michigan football is raking in $100+ million a year. They can shell out a $250-300k to take those kids to Rome for a spring practice. What's $300k of $100,000,000+? A few tenths of 1 percent?
Maybe schools should be doing more stuff like that for their student athletes and paying their coaches less money. But hey, that's just me.
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I know UW will be active in the Miami area recruiting that week. Lots of irons in the fire down there.
you invite them to the practices, give them sideline passes for the game- they get to see the coaches/players interact with the team up close and personal in a way they just wouldn't be able to. That is so invaluable when you are recruiting kids from so far away. Could potentially even tip the scales with a kid that's on the fence.
Just sucks for UW that Miami is playing a fricken' home game. I don't think that should be allowed honestly. They should make a conscious effort to match UW up with a different team if it is a literal home game for the proposed opponet.
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man you can hate all you want, but I thought that was fricken' awesome.
I've only been to Rome twice and I absolutely love it. One of my favorite places I have ever been. And if I could get a free trip I'd take it.
I thought that was really cool, and it's something those kids will remember forever. Michigan football is raking in $100+ million a year. They can shell out a $250-300k to take those kids to Rome for a spring practice. What's $300k of $100,000,000+? A few tenths of 1 percent?
Maybe schools should be doing more stuff like that for their student athletes and paying their coaches less money. But hey, that's just me.
That last part.. YES.
Rome was OK for me. I loved Firenze much more.
How come Harbs didn't bring a kicker home from Rome? That's what I was getting at. Ha!
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AS for UW playing at Miami's home... Their gonna kick Miami's ass. It won't be close. In the immortal words of Crunchy the Clown...
BOOK IT.
LMAO
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The Canes are in for more pain. Clemson didn't even do anything special last night offensively. running for about 70 yards.
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i lost all respect for the canes when the zebras straight up took the game away from virginia, gift wrapped it, and laid it at the canes feet. i don't say that often, and because i think it's rare it actually happens- but that is precisely what happened in that game... otherwise, it was virginia by two possessions.
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what team has played more bowl games on their home field than the Canes?
nobody
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I think the last Orange Bowl down in Little Havana was 01, and it was bumped there due to an NFL playoff game at Joe Robbie?
The Orange Bowl wasn't torn down until fairly recently, when the Marlins ballpark wad built on the site.
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This is true. Miami won 3 of its 5 mncs in games played at the OB. 31-30 vs N, Osborne goes for two. 20-14, over OU, and then 23-3 over an outmatched Nebraska team. Nebraska lost another Orange Bowl to the Canes before sweet vengeance in 1994.
The final game at the OB was awesome. Virginia 31 Canes 0.
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Didn't notice this at first, but the entire top 18 is playing each other over 9 games.
DECEMBER 28 - Alamo (Stanford-TCU) & Holiday (MSU-WSU)
DECEMBER 29 - Cotton (OSU-USC)
DECEMBER 30 - Fiesta (PSU-UWash) & Orange (UW-Miami)
JANUARY 1 - Peach (Auburn-UCF); Citrus (ND-LSU); Rose (Oklahoma-Georgia); Sugar (Clemson-Bama)
Kind of a nice condensed bowl schedule over those 4 days of 9 good games. Plus you have #19 Okie State-#22 VT in Orlando on December 28 too.
Will be interesting to see whether overall for tv ratings it's better to have everything consolidated into 9 pretty good games, and like 30+ awful games, or have the ranked teams who don't go to the NY6 sprinkled through like 10 mediocre games