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Mdot21

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2017, 03:18:59 PM »
Same MICHIGAN beat writer


https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/937414116553113600
didn't he graduate from Michigan State? Just sayin'.

Anywho, who is he kidding? Like that wasn't expected. It would've been more of a shock if it didn't shake out like that.

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2017, 03:19:25 PM »
as we all know, networks and therefore $$$ will dictate the direction of the sport
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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2017, 03:21:29 PM »
Yeah, I've had my plan, which I will post the bowl lineups again under tomorrow.

I think if their only goal is to cater to 7 or 8 fan bases, split off, and let those 8 just play each other, like when the top level of British soccer did it.

In the end, it's very shortsighted to alienate everyone else.  You move to a more hard slotted system, and have the system build bigger and bigger each day, it helps the sport by making games relevant even after teams are bowl eligible. As it is, why did I watch MSUs last two games

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2017, 03:27:42 PM »
Yeah, I've had my plan, which I will post the bowl lineups again under tomorrow.

I think if their only goal is to cater to 7 or 8 fan bases, split off, and let those 8 just play each other, like when the top level of British soccer did it.

In the end, it's very shortsighted to alienate everyone else.  You move to a more hard slotted system, and have the system build bigger and bigger each day, it helps the sport by making games relevant even after teams are bowl eligible. As it is, why did I watch MSUs last two games
because you love your team and your team was playing? I'd watch Michigan play any game. Plus those, were conference games. Winning in the B1G is always important. Should be goal #1.
They could fix the thing really easily. There are like 129 FBS teams now. It is absolutely fricken' ridiculous to have that many teams in FBS when the sport required 85 scholarship players and 105 players on a roster. It's not like basketball where 1 or 2 guys can make an entire team. It takes all 105.
I feel like they should just expand this thing to 6 teams, give P5 conference champs an auto-bid and put the next man in. Or even let the #6 and #7 ranked team play for a wild-card to earn that 6th right to get into the playoff. Wouldn't be such a bad idea, reward the P5 champs a bye week for winning their conference.
It's an easy fix, IMO.

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2017, 03:30:28 PM »
OSU-USC in the Cotton.

PSU-Washington in the Fiesta

Wisconsin-Miami in the Orange

Auburn-UCF in the Peach
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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2017, 03:31:37 PM »
OSU-USC in the Cotton.

PSU-Washington in the Fiesta
Pac vs. B1G? Those have some Rose Bowl flavor to them. I like.

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2017, 03:34:04 PM »
Yeah, the Cotton Bowl is a legit "Rose Bowl" with the two Conference champs. 

Only this time it's not in USC's back yard. 
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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2017, 03:35:42 PM »
because you love your team and your team was playing? I'd watch Michigan play any game. Plus those, were conference games. Winning in the B1G is always important. Should be goal #1.
They could fix the thing really easily. There are like 129 FBS teams now. It is absolutely fricken' ridiculous to have that many teams in FBS when the sport required 85 scholarship players and 105 players on a roster. It's not like basketball where 1 or 2 guys can make an entire team. It takes all 105.
I feel like they should just expand this thing to 6 teams, give P5 conference champs an auto-bid and put the next man in. Or even let the #6 and #7 ranked team play for a wild-card to earn that 6th right to get into the playoff. Wouldn't be such a bad idea, reward the P5 champs a bye week for winning their conference.
It's an easy fix, IMO.
Yeah, that's why I said the last two games, Big Ten title was lost.
I love my team, but I wouldn't watch exhibition games, and they are telling me that's all the last two games are.  Hell, if LJ Scott had sat those two games out, I couldn't argue against it.  The Big Ten just told him those are nothing more than exhibitions

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2017, 03:38:20 PM »
Yeah, the Cotton Bowl is a legit "Rose Bowl" with the two Conference champs.

Only this time it's not in USC's back yard.
bowl games should never be in a teams back yard. Kinda BS that USC had that advantage for so long.

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2017, 03:39:59 PM »
Yeah, that's why I said the last two games, Big Ten title was lost.
I love my team, but I wouldn't watch exhibition games, and they are telling me that's all the last two games are.  Hell, if LJ Scott had sat those two games out, I couldn't argue against it.  The Big Ten just told him those are nothing more than exhibitions
No, they are telling you that's all that bowl games are- exhibition games. Because that's what they are. That's all they've ever been.
They are a nice little reward for not sucking, a free trip for the players, who get to do some cool stuff and get free stuff, and that's it. That's all they are really.
The only post-season games that matter are the CCG's and the playoff games. And that's the way it should be.

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2017, 03:41:41 PM »
hasn't it always been that way?
I think they have needed to clean the sport up a lot for a very long time.
Sounded like Saban was talking about P5 schools only playing P5 opponents from now on and also playing every team in their conference. He's a duplicitous weasel, but I can get down with that. For sure.

It's just so subjective, how do you pick the top 4 teams based on eye ball tests. Only way to do it is to make the schedules more equitable and to make some kind of guideline.

Maybe ban FCS opponents, do away with neutral site games and force more home and home OOC P5 games, and then go to a 6 team playoff where the P5 Conference champs are auto-bids and the 6th spot is like a wild-card spot- next man in.
Saban is so full of shit. They should have been playing a home and home with MSU instead of playing Mercer but instead they backed out because we refused to go neutral site

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2017, 03:46:14 PM »
Saban is so full of crap. They should have been playing a home and home with MSU instead of playing Mercer but instead they backed out because we refused to go neutral site
Yes, I know this. That's why I said he's a duplicitous weasel.
But I do like that idea. Neutral site games in the regular season should be a big NO NO. That's what the bowl games are for.
I think winning your conference should matter. But so should playing more of the teams in your conference. 8 conference games are unacceptable like the SEC does it. Should go to 10. So should the B1G.
I think you go to 6 team playoff and force conferences to go to 10 conference games, then each P5 conference winner gets an auto-bid- and to a wild-card game for #6 vs #7 for that last spot- would solve a lot of problems- and be pretty cool and make the sport a hell of a lot better.

If they had that scenario....

USC- Pac Champ
Oklahoma- Big 12 champ
OSU- B1G champ
Clemson- ACC champ
Georgia- SEC champ

all auto in, winning the conference should matter, and Bama would have to be play whoever it would be- for a spot to get in- and not just be handed a spot because they are Alabama.
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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2017, 03:50:37 PM »
No, they are telling you that's all that bowl games are- exhibition games. Because that's what they are. That's all they've ever been.
They are a nice little reward for not sucking, a free trip for the players, who get to do some cool stuff and get free stuff, and that's it. That's all they are really.
The only post-season games that matter are the CCG's and the playoff games. And that's the way it should be.
Please tell me the meaning of those last two games then?

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Re: NYD six bowls
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2017, 03:53:12 PM »
Well, it's off NYD but the advantage is MSU-WSU is a solid matchup of ranked teams, and the Outback winds up with two unranked teams.  Solid matchup of the 6th place Big Ten team and the 5th place SEC team.

Still like playing on NYD, but I like getting the relevant matchup.

 

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