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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #42 on:** October 21, 2025, 11:22:55 AM »

Quote from: SuperMario on October 21, 2025, 11:16:08 AM

Ehh. There’s a vast difference here. Try hiring the younger generation. So many are lazy, yet entitled. They believe they should be wealthy but don’t want to sacrifice and put in the difficult work to do it.

not wanting to sit outside and freeze your ass off to watch a game isn’t soft, it’s just smart. Let’s be real, there’s a lot of people in the older generations that have watched the decay of sports and the teams and what they represent and they aren’t going to put their health second for a game that truly isn’t the most important part of life. And that’s coming from someone that loves the college game.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #43 on:** October 21, 2025, 11:38:40 AM »

The Browns would have lost the Dolphins game if it was in a dome.

ELA · « **Reply #44 on:** October 21, 2025, 11:40:00 AM »

Quote from: SuperMario on October 21, 2025, 11:10:53 AM

99 was rainy and then ‘03 was was the year we decided it was the last one for a while. It was cold and wet snow. The next two in Ann Arbor I watched from balmy Singapore and those weather conditions were much better.

99 was rainy. 01 was cold but dry IIRC. 93 and 95 were bitterly cold and dry. I remember 93 was my first UM-OSU game, and my mom came home from the mall with new boots and asked me to try them on. I initially rebuffed, and said I'd do it later, I didn't need them right then. She said, yes you do, it's too cold for me, you are going to the game.

ELA · « **Reply #45 on:** October 21, 2025, 11:43:55 AM »

In general, cold but dry is fine. You can dress for it. I'll take 30 and dry over 90 and dry. Hell, even over 80 and dry. There is no escape from just sitting out there baking.

Now once you add moisture, that changes.

Worst weather I've ever sat through

https://youtu.be/j460bLNZ6To?si=61V04NbJVnyCtFr-

847badgerfan · « **Reply #46 on:** October 21, 2025, 11:49:53 AM »

Quote from: ELA on October 21, 2025, 11:43:55 AM

In general, cold but dry is fine. You can dress for it. I'll take 30 and dry over 90 and dry. Hell, even over 80 and dry. There is no escape from just sitting out there baking.

Now once you add moisture, that changes.

Worst weather I've ever sat through

https://youtu.be/j460bLNZ6To?si=61V04NbJVnyCtFr-

My seats were at the 45 and under the upper deck. It was glorious.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #47 on:** October 21, 2025, 11:56:53 AM »

Quote from: ELA on October 21, 2025, 11:43:55 AM

In general, cold but dry is fine. You can dress for it. I'll take 30 and dry over 90 and dry. Hell, even over 80 and dry. There is no escape from just sitting out there baking.

Now once you add moisture, that changes.

Worst weather I've ever sat through

Thanks, I was going to say you guys must not be skiers. There are a lot of things you can do to combat the cold. Long underwear negates most of it. It might be freezing, but you'll be sweating. A strategically placed handwarmer on the back of the neck will warm up your entire circulatory system. If somehow all of that is not enough? Jog up the stadium steps from the bottom to the top, and you'll be stripping down to your base layer for about a half hour or so.

SuperMario · « **Reply #48 on:** October 21, 2025, 12:03:15 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 21, 2025, 11:56:53 AM

Thanks, I was going to say you guys must not be skiers. There are a lot of things you can do to combat the cold. Long underwear negates most of it. It might be freezing, but you'll be sweating. A strategically placed handwarmer on the back of the neck will warm up your entire circulatory system. If somehow all of that is not enough? Jog up the stadium steps from the bottom to the top, and you'll be stripping down to your base layer for about a half hour or so.

yeah, i summed it up poorly. You're correct. The cold is not necessarily what I mind. It's the cold and snow or rain that I cannot stand. I can deal with frigid weather and dress appropriately. And I prefer snow over 34 degree rain. Absolutely awful. That being said, 2003 was something else.. clearly not 1995 lol. ELA, you're a champ for sitting through that, but 2003 is up there for me.. Outside of an Indians home opener one year that I wildly read the forecast wrong and I went down in t-shirt and shorts and it was a high of 45 and cloudy

SuperMario · « **Reply #49 on:** October 21, 2025, 12:06:23 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 21, 2025, 11:22:55 AM

bahaha.. i should have known better. It seemed like not a take i expected, especially from you specifically lol.

ELA · « **Reply #50 on:** October 21, 2025, 12:56:18 PM »

Found some weather data. The weather at noon for that 1993 game was 36 degrees with wind at 30 mph, so a wind chill of 23

Granted that was the Saturday before Thanksgiving so that wouldn't even be notable for an NFL playoff game

MrNubbz · « **Reply #51 on:** October 21, 2025, 01:18:33 PM »

Quote from: ELA on October 21, 2025, 11:43:55 AM

I'll take 30 and dry over 90 and dry. Hell, even over 80 and dry. There is no escape from just sitting out there baking.

Testify ELA Testify,can always thro another layer on - like Hunting & Ice Fishing season

ELA · « **Reply #52 on:** **Today** at 11:57:16 AM »

Last week in parentheses

OHIO STATE (1) - will they even be challenged before Michigan?
INDIANA (2) - will they even be challenged before Indianapolis?
OREGON (3) - might finish the regular season #3 in the nation, and not in the CCG, and with the new format, that might be good
ILLINOIS (6) - bye week
USC (4) - just when I'm ready to give Lincoln the benefit of the doubt
MICHIGAN (7) - the Ann Arbor vice grip game remains undefeated
WASHINGTON (5) - remain unable to win big road games
IOWA (9) - didn't think I'd be writing that off as "avoiding a bad loss"
MINNESOTA (10) - P.J. Fleck might have thought that was his PSU audition game
NEBRASKA (8) - there might be riots in Happy Valley if they hire Rhule
NORTHWESTERN (12) - quietly sneaking towards bowl eligibility
UCLA (15) - also them?
MARYLAND (11) - heartbreaking loss after heartbreaking loss
PENN STATE (13) - showed some fight, but at this point do any PSU fans care?
RUTGERS (14) - hopefully they took a picture at 3-0
MICHIGAN STATE (16) - hopefully they took a picture at 10-7
PURDUE (17) - first time Northwestern has shut out an opponent in 8 years
WISCONSIN (18) - three shutouts in a row is a real possibility

ELA · « **Reply #53 on:** **Today** at 12:50:41 PM »

SOR/SP+ Mock Bracket

#12 South Florida at #5 Georgia; winner vs. #4 Alabama
#11 Miami at #6 OREGON; winner vs. #3 Texas A&M
#10 Texas Tech at #7 Oklahoma; winner vs. #2 OHIO STATE
#9 BYU at #8 Ole Miss; winner vs. #1 INDIANA

Just reenforces how stupid the new format is. If the Big Ten and SEC championships include the 4 bye teams, none of those teams better drop out with a loss.

They were correct that the format was wrong, but rewarding the top 4 conference champs with byes was not the incorrect part, it was not relying on the seeding going forward. Last year was the first year in forever that CCG Saturday was great, and it was because every game mattered. Stick to the 1-12 seeding, and reward the top 4 conference champs with byes, but from there, you go with the actual seeding. Don't drop OSU and Alabama in terms of seeding, just don't give them a bye. So instead, you'd have Indiana, Texas A&M, BYU and Miami with byes

#12 South Florida at #2 Ohio State
#10 Texas Tech at #4 Alabama
#8 Ole Miss at #5 Georgia
#7 Oklahoma at #6 Oregon

BYU and Miami retain their #9 and #11 rankings, so then the quarterfinals would be (assuming the home teams win)

#1 Indiana vs. #11 Miami
#2 Ohio State vs. #9 BYU
#3 Texas A&M vs. #6 Oregon
#4 Alabama vs. #5 Georgia

OSU and Alabama lose their byes, but they play home games against Texas Tech and South Florida, where they are still favored, but there is meaning to losing that CCG. Likewise Miami and BYU get a bye, so we still care about their CCG, but then they have to play the #1 and #2 team, they don't jump up to being the #3 and #4 seeds

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #54 on:** **Today** at 01:32:45 PM »

Quote from: ELA on Today at 12:50:41 PM

SOR/SP+ Mock Bracket

#12 South Florida at #5 Georgia; winner vs. #4 Alabama
#11 Miami at #6 OREGON; winner vs. #3 Texas A&M
#10 Texas Tech at #7 Oklahoma; winner vs. #2 OHIO STATE
#9 BYU at #8 Ole Miss; winner vs. #1 INDIANA

Just reenforces how stupid the new format is. If the Big Ten and SEC championships include the 4 bye teams, none of those teams better drop out with a loss.

They were correct that the format was wrong, but rewarding the top 4 conference champs with byes was not the incorrect part, it was not relying on the seeding going forward. Last year was the first year in forever that CCG Saturday was great, and it was because every game mattered. Stick to the 1-12 seeding, and reward the top 4 conference champs with byes, but from there, you go with the actual seeding. Don't drop OSU and Alabama in terms of seeding, just don't give them a bye. So instead, you'd have Indiana, Texas A&M, BYU and Miami with byes

#12 South Florida at #2 Ohio State
#10 Texas Tech at #4 Alabama
#8 Ole Miss at #5 Georgia
#7 Oklahoma at #6 Oregon

BYU and Miami retain their #9 and #11 rankings, so then the quarterfinals would be (assuming the home teams win)

#1 Indiana vs. #11 Miami
#2 Ohio State vs. #9 BYU
#3 Texas A&M vs. #6 Oregon
#4 Alabama vs. #5 Georgia

OSU and Alabama lose their byes, but they play home games against Texas Tech and South Florida, where they are still favored, but there is meaning to losing that CCG. Likewise Miami and BYU get a bye, so we still care about their CCG, but then they have to play the #1 and #2 team, they don't jump up to being the #3 and #4 seeds

This, 100%.

If Ohio State and Indiana get to Indianapolis at 12-0 each, what exactly will they be playing for? Both would be more-or-less guaranteed a bye either way so it is only about seeding and the #4 or #8 might be better than #2/3/6/11 anyway so it becomes meaningless.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #55 on:** **Today** at 02:10:07 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on Today at 01:32:45 PM

This, 100%.

If Ohio State and Indiana get to Indianapolis at 12-0 each, what exactly will they be playing for? Both would be more-or-less guaranteed a bye either way so it is only about seeding and the #4 or #8 might be better than #2/3/6/11 anyway so it becomes meaningless.

I think it is easier to explain it with last year's scenario because it already played out so it isn't hypothetical. Last year's CFP seeds were:

#1 Oregon, 12-0 B1G Champ
#2 Georgia, 11-2 SEC Champ
#9 Boise State, 12-1 MWC Champ
#12 Arizona State, 11-2 Big12 Champ
#3 Texas, 11-2 lost SECCG
#4 Penn State, 11-2 lost B1GCG
#5 Notre Dame, 11-1
#6 Ohio State, 10-2
#7 Tennessee, 10-2
#8 Indiana, 11-1
#10 SMU, 11-2 lost ACCCG
#16 Clemson, 10-3 ACC Champ

The first round more-or-less made sense with:

#16 Clemson at #3 Texas (worst at best)
#10 SMU at #4 Penn State (second worst at second best)
#8 Indiana at #5 Notre Dame (third worst at third best)
#7 Tennessee at #6 Ohio State (fourth worst at fourth best)

The second round was a mess:

#1 Oregon vs #6 Ohio State in the Rose Bowl - so the best team got the third worst
#2 Georgia vs #5 Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl - so the second best team got the fourth worst
#9 Boise State vs #4 Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl - so the fourth best got the second worst
#12 Arizona State vs #3 Texas in the Peach Bowl - so the third best got the worst

Oregon and Georgia got screwed. Instead of playing weaklings BoiseSt and ASU they got beat by the two teams that made it all the way to the NC. Some of that is unavoidable. Notre Dame was 5th because they had a lightweight overall schedule and took a bad loss and Ohio State was 6th because they lost twice including a bad loss but even based on the rankings at the time it was understood that the Irish and Buckeyes were tougher than the Broncos and Sun Devils. Oregon earned the #1 seed by going undefeated and UGA earned the #2 seed by winning the SEC and instead of rewarding them for that we screwed them over with challenging CFP quarter-finals while the teams that they beat in their CG's got MUCH easier games against BoiseSt and ASU. In effect the Ducks and Bulldogs lost by winning their CGs.

Using your proposal as I understand it, it would instead be:
First round:

#7 Tennessee at #6 Ohio State
#8 Indiana at #5 Notre Dame
#10 SMU at #4 Penn State
#16 Clemson at #3 Texas

Quarter-finals:

#1 Oregon vs #12 ASU
#2 Georgia vs #9 Boise St
Texas/Clemson vs Tennessee/Ohio State
Penn State/SMU vs Indiana/Notre Dame

The first round games were actually played and two of the four quarter-final games were played (albeit as semi-finals rather than quarter-finals). If we use those results and also assume that Oregon and Georgia will beat ASU and Boise St then we get:
Semi-finals:

Oregon vs Notre Dame
Georgia vs Ohio State

One question:
Would you reseed the quarter-finals if there was an upset in the first round?

It didn't happen last year and it wouldn't matter if #7 Tennessee beat #6 Ohio State but what if Indiana won in South bend or if SMU won in State College or Clemson won in Austin?

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