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OrangeAfroMan

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Best TE you ever saw
« on: July 17, 2023, 07:22:58 PM »
I was thinking the other day about this.  TE is a sort of under-represented position, not sexy, kind of lost in the mix.
The one good thing about it is that there are so few statistically-elite TEs in college history that you can pretty much put up the guy who was great in your memory against anyone and have an argument.
Like I remember Alonzo Mayes at OK State having some great catches.
Pete Mitchell at BC getting 8-12 yards over and over and over again.
Kyle Pitts a couple of years ago being sick or Brock Bowers today.
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Who are some TEs that may or may not have gotten any All-American love that you recall being really great?
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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2023, 07:28:56 PM »
One opponent of Florida I was scared of was OU's Jermaine Gresham.  He played so big and I didn't know how anyone could cover him.  
I assume many people will cite Keith Jackson, also from OU.  I think one thing special with him was that OU could run a reverse with him.  I don't think many other TEs could be used that way, but Bowers is one.
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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2023, 07:30:29 PM »
The problem is that TE can mean a LOT of different things, as TE is a sort of hybrid position that is a lineman required to block, but also an eligible receiver to catch passes.

A lot of the great receiver TEs are just bigger/slower WRs, and are rarely asked to block, and often aren't all that effective at it. They put up gaudy stats because they're too fast for a linebacker to cover and too big/strong for a safety to cover. I recall Dustin Keller at Purdue in roughly the 2005-2008 (don't recall exactly, but he overlapped heavily with Curtis Painter who was the QB for those years) being this type.

Whereas a lot of blocking TEs are excellent at blocking, and are kind of uber-athletic tackles. Those TEs are often only used as safety valve pass-catchers in an offense when the QB gets pressured. So you don't see a lot of them on the stat sheet, but they're on the field because they're still useful to the offense.

To me, the ideal would be a TE that actually fills both roles. I can't necessarily think of someone at the collegiate level that sticks out to me in this sense, but at the pro level you're looking at a George Kittle type. Truly loves and excels at flatting a defender in the blocking scheme, but also a massive weapon in the passing game. Edit: And the advantage of these guys is that they stay on the field and aren't a "tell" for the offense whether you're running or passing. 


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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2023, 07:47:01 PM »
I will cite Keith Jackson, from OU
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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2023, 07:57:46 PM »
The best college TE I probably ever saw was Winslow Jr.  As far as TE who didn’t get AA attention that’s a tough one.  I’d have to think about that one.

This is obviously biased but WVU had a TE in the mid 90’s named Lovett Purnell who was a really good college TE, but not someone anyone would remember.  Was drafted by the Patriots I believe but never really did anything in the NFL.

His senior year he caught 37 passes for 614 yards.  That’s 16.5 YPC.  That’s a pretty serious YPC for a TE, and he was in a pro style offense too.  Not to take anything away from Jackson because he was great, but some of his YPC was a result of OU running 20 times in a row and then sneaking him down the field for a big play.

Syracuse had a dude in the 90s named Chris Gedney who I remember being pretty good.

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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2023, 08:20:55 PM »
The best college TE I probably ever saw was Winslow Jr.  As far as TE who didn’t get AA attention that’s a tough one.  I’d have to think about that one.

Man I was at the OSU-Miami game and that guy just wrecked them. Luckily he was the only guy who did. Also good lord he wrecked his life.

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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2023, 08:51:28 PM »
Man I was at the OSU-Miami game and that guy just wrecked them. Luckily he was the only guy who did. Also good lord he wrecked his life.
Was there as well.  I agree. They had no answer for him.   
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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2023, 08:53:16 PM »
Yes,  Jackson had a huge ypc as a residue of few pass attempts,  but he abused folks in one on one, and could run those reverses so well.

He basically beat Nebraska in 85 and 86.  

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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2023, 10:28:23 PM »
Was there as well.  I agree. They had no answer for him. 
Me three.  

He was a tough riddle to crack.  He was just too big and strong for a DB and too fast for a LBer.  You almost had to double him because you needed a fast guy in case he went deep and a strong guy to fight with him in close.  

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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2023, 10:55:21 PM »
Yes,  Jackson had a huge ypc as a residue of few pass attempts,  but he abused folks in one on one, and could run those reverses so well.

He basically beat Nebraska in 85 and 86. 
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the Sooners set the tone early with an 88-yard touchdown run by tight end Keith Jackson with scarcely three minutes gone in the first quarter.
RUSHING: OU: Jackson 3-136
RECEIVING: OU: Jackson 1-38.
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OU drove 94 yards on 11 plays to tie the game at 17-all on a 17-yard touchdown pass from Jamelle Holieway to Keith Jackson with 1:22 left, forced a Nebraska punt, then got within field-goal range on a third-down, 41-yard pass from Holieway to Jackson with nine seconds to go.
Receiving OU: Jackson 3-87
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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2023, 11:19:03 PM »
At UW, Lance Kendricks. He peaked late, but he was awesome.

Overall? Pitts was up there as a playmaker, although he didn’t get a full final season. Honestly each Georgia guy from last year had a case.

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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2023, 11:28:11 PM »
David Thomas played on the 2005 NC Longhorn team

I pick him as the best Longhorn TE Ive seen

here is a clip on him I dont think the Horns win without him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O86zWdI222I
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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2023, 11:48:07 PM »
Ricky Dudley at OSU reminded me of Eddie George, his teammate.  Sort of long and maybe thin for his position, but could make plays.
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Re: Best TE you ever saw
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2023, 11:59:20 PM »
David Thomas played on the 2005 NC Longhorn team

I pick him as the best Longhorn TE Ive seen

here is a clip on him I dont think the Horns win without him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O86zWdI222I
David Thomas was a very good college TE. 

 

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