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Re: Best #25
« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2018, 03:15:24 PM »
Ahh. Based on what numbers we see, we can figure out where to go from there.

I thought you were going to do all 250 and then break them into groups.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2018, 03:17:57 PM »
YPC:
Group 1 (high YPC - 11-30th, all-time):
6.8-7.2 ypc
Ki-Jana Carter 395
Mike Rozier 668
Brent Fullwood  390
Anthony Aldridge  363
Tevin Coleman  452
Billy Sims  544
Henry Josey  395
Tom Larsheid  316
Jhurrell Pressley  394
Matt Breida  542
Warrick Dunn  575
Colin Kaepernick  600
Boom Williams  367
Levron Williams  452
Vince Young  457
Calvin Jones  461
Gwain Durden  540
Anthony Wales  490
Pete Pedro  317
Barry Sanders  523

Group 2:  (med YPC - 121-140th all-time)
6.1-6.2 ypc
Mike Gaddis  423
Obie Graves  357
Paul Gipson  447
Ray Lawry  659
Lawrence Phillips  449
Josh Robinson  323
Adonis Thomas  382
Sammie Smith  411
Marlon Mack  586
Kevin McDougal  471
Elvis Peacock  337
Ken Clark  494
Ryan Mathews  534
Quinton Flowers  598
Sean Jackson  347
Sony Michel  590
Ronald Jones  591
Carlos Hyde  523
Byron Marshall  307
Dan Alexander  402

Group 3:  (low YPC:  231-250th all-time)
5.8 ypc
Lee Becton  347
Darren McFadden  785
Ron Dayne  1220
Lendale White  541
Deonce Whitaker  602
Walter Packer  483
Michael Perry  428
Xavier Johnson  459
Jerome Harrison  482
Jim Bohl  492
Earl Campbell  765
Marcus Murphy  337
Joshua Cribbs  632
Jeff Logan  349
Jon Cornish  387
Michael Wiley  509
Trent Richardson  540
Wendell Smallwood  425
Damon Washington  593
Chester Taylor  803




Averages:
High (Group 1):  462 carries
Med (Group 2):  461 carries
Low (Group 3):  559 carries
« Last Edit: July 05, 2018, 05:32:41 PM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2018, 03:18:24 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 05, 2018, 03:15:24 PM
Ahh. Based on what numbers we see, we can figure out where to go from there.

I thought you were going to do all 250 and then break them into groups.
That wouldn't be quick nor dirty.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2018, 03:30:40 PM »
Career Carries groups - same as the YPC ones in terms of ranking (high, med, low).
Group 1 (11-30th all-time carries):
940 - 1059 car
Donnel Pumphrey  6.0
Ken Simonton  4.8
Avon Cobourne  4.9
Michael Hart  5.0
Dontrell Moore  4.9
Ricky Williams (Texas)  6.2
Damion Fletcher  5.3
Herschel Walker  5.3
Keenan Reynolds  4.7
Montel Harris  4.9
DeAngelo Williams  6.2
Thurman Thomas  5.1
Damien Anderson  4.7
Deland McCullough  4.6
Royce Freeman  5.9
Paul Palmer  5.2
Robert Holcombe  4.4
LaDanian Tomlinson  5.7
Jarvion Franklin  5.2
Michael Turner  5.3

Group B (121-140th all-time):
773-789 carries
Ricky Williams (TexTech)  4.6
Johnathan Franklin  5.6
Jacquizz Rodgers  4.9
Darnell Autry  4.8
Amos Zereoue  5.2
Darren McFadden  5.8
Anthony Davis  4.8
Troy Davis  5.6 
Lance Dunbar  5.4
Kareem Hunt  6.3
Rick Parros  4.5
Gary Kosins  3.6
Brad Smith  5.4
Rodney Ferguson  4.6
Zach Line  5.4
Sonny Collins  4.9
Tony Sands  4.9
Brian Hill  5.5
Craig James  4.8
Bob Hitchens  4.0

Group C (231-250th all-time carries):
686 - 699 carries
James Butler  5.3
Donald Brown  5.4
James Starks  4.5
Tashard Choice  5.0
Curtis Dickey  5.3
Deshaun Foster  4.4
Harvey Unga  5.0
Chris Douglas  4.5
Jerry Mays  5.3
Brent Moss  4.9
Darius Walker  4.7
Tim Tebow  4.3
Ottis Anderson  4.8
Winslow Oliver  4.8
Tyrone Wheatley  6.1
Dalvin Cook  6.5
Ricky Dobbs  3.9
Gaston Green  5.2
Tanardo Sharps  4.8
Myles Gaskin  5.9



Group averages:
High (Group A):  5.215 ypc
Med (Group B):  5.030 ypc
Low (Group C):  5.030 ypc
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2018, 04:43:32 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 05, 2018, 02:40:39 PM
Hopefully this will be deemed fair and persuasive.  And hopefully it shows what I think it will, lol.
It will be deemed fair
after that you are reaching
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #89 on: July 05, 2018, 05:50:36 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 05, 2018, 03:17:57 PM




Averages:
High (Group 1):  462 carries
Med (Group 2):  461 carries
Low (Group 3):  559 carries

So as we move away from the end of the bell curve, towards the fat middle, RBs with more carries tend to have lower YPC averages.  

Also, if I had included the top 20 instead of 21-40, Group 1's average number of carries would be lower, just fyi.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2018, 06:02:14 PM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #90 on: July 05, 2018, 05:54:22 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 05, 2018, 03:30:40 PM



Group averages:
High (Group A):  5.215 ypc
Med (Group B):  5.030 ypc
Low (Group C):  5.030 ypc
This shows me that yes, the most talented RBs get the most carries, but as move away from the end of the bell curve, it's level.  I'm not sure what to do with this.
In terms of the lists themselves, one requires a guy to play a lot (carries) and in the other, you could be a backup/2nd fiddle (YPC), although most were starters for at least one season.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #91 on: July 05, 2018, 06:19:09 PM »
Look at the numbers. 

For the high ypc, you have anywhere between 316 carries and 668. 
For the middle ypc, you have anywhere between 323 and 659
For the low ypc, you have anywhere between 337 and 1220, although Dayne is a bit of an outlier, as the next highest was 803

For the high attempts, you have anywhere between 4.4 and 6.2 ypc
For the middle attempts, you have anywhere between 4.5 and 6.3 ypc
For the low attempts, you have anywhere between 3.9 and 6.5 ypc

Do you really see much rhyme or reason to these numbers? 
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #92 on: July 05, 2018, 06:22:08 PM »
Yeah, once I did it, it's all just kind of a mess.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #93 on: July 05, 2018, 06:30:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 05, 2018, 06:22:08 PM
Yeah, once I did it, it's all just kind of a mess.
That's frankly what I expected it would be, to be honest... 
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #94 on: July 05, 2018, 06:33:53 PM »
I need parameters.....and while I was doing it, I was thinking a per-season study would be more valid than a career one.....
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« Reply #95 on: July 05, 2018, 06:39:05 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 05, 2018, 06:33:53 PM
I need parameters.....and while I was doing it, I was thinking a per-season study would be more valid than a career one.....
Well, one of the biggest issues is that your career leader in ypc list might include players who only started for 2 years and then went to the NFL... So given a 4 year career they might amass 750 carries but in two years they only got 320. 
So the ideal thing would be to base it attempts/game... But where are you going to find those numbers lol?
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #96 on: July 05, 2018, 07:15:30 PM »
Too fast and too dirty.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #97 on: July 06, 2018, 12:17:33 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 05, 2018, 06:19:09 PM
Look at the numbers.



Do you really see much rhyme or reason to these numbers?
yes, number of carries is not a factor
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