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FearlessF · « **Reply #56 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:28:08 AM »

how about starter/backup.....81&82. Rozier backed up Craig, then Rozier started and craig moved to fullback on some formations

Heisman trophy winner and NFL hall of famer

Mike Rozier 1981-83 4,780 668 7.16 49
Roger Craig 1979-82 2,446 407 6.01 26

FearlessF · « **Reply #57 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:29:49 AM »

and I hate to bring it up, but the Sooners obviously had some terrific tandems

who backed up Billy Sims?

Marcus Dupree as a frosh backed up somebody

Cincydawg · « **Reply #58 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:37:13 AM »

It is fun and interesting to think about players from whenever back a few decades.

I remember as a kid thinking Earl Campbell was incredible, a man among boys, an oft used phrase. OJ of course has a sullied character but he was a great RB. There was "Charlie Choo-Choo Justice at UNC, who merits note because of a great nickname, and the "Galloping Ghost" who I imagine few of us every watched in real time.

Which brings to my mind a question, who was the very earliest "great" running back, Grange? Were there players of note before him that are recalled today? It's almost as if the concept sprang from nothing, though I'd guess I simply am ignorant of the candidates.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #59 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:41:12 AM »

As Grange never won a Heisman, perhaps he is over rated.

Ha.

In his 20-game college career, Grange ran for 3,362 yards, caught 14 passes for 253 yards, and completed 40 of 82 passes for 575 yards. Of his 31 touchdowns, 16 were from at least 20 yards, with nine from more than 50 yards.^[10] He scored at least one touchdown in every game he played but one, a loss to Nebraska in his senior season. He earned All-America recognition three consecutive years, and appeared on the cover of Time on October 5, 1925.^[10] His number 77 was retired by the University of Illinois.^{[note 2]}

If we extrapolate his numbers out to 50 games they look pretty decent. Was he a run away winner for #77, I forget?

ELA · « **Reply #60 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:44:30 AM »

Ugly completion percentage.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #61 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:46:26 AM »

Quote from: ELA on August 25, 2018, 09:44:30 AM

Ugly completion percentage.

Perhaps not when you consider he was throwing to himself.

FearlessF · « **Reply #62 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:07:03 AM »

In 1925 Nebraska was led by new coach, Elmer Ernest (Ernie) Bearg. Bearg had previously coached at Illinois, as Zuppke's top assistant, and had coached Grange at Illinois. Bearg readily recognized that the Husker team he had inherited had to be built around its star, Ed Weir, a tackle on offense, who occasionally carried the ball. Bearg spent most of the pre-season moving players to various new positions, all with the goal of stopping Red Grange. "Stop Grange and you stop Illinois," he exhorted the team. The team listened.

Ed Weir was listed as left tackle on defense, but would line up a yard or so behind the line of scrimmage and with an unusually quick first step, charge across the line and into the opposing backfield ("red dogging"). Often enough he was able to reach Grange before he had a chance to get started. That day the Cornhuskers held Grange to 62 yards rushing on 22 carries. Weir recovered a fumble that day and was credited with tackling ball carriers for 14 yards losses.

Reporting on the game that day, the Associated Press wrote, "Grange left the game in the fourth quarter broken and crushed. As the Illini star walked to the sideline, covered with mud from head to foot, tears gathered in his eyes and he fell into the waiting arms of his comrades." The Huskers won that game 14-0, holding Grange without a TD for the second straight year.

https://www.mccookgazette.com/story/1832401.html

Cincydawg · « **Reply #63 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:24:28 AM »

Great stuff.

ELA · « **Reply #64 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:26:45 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 09:46:26 AM

Perhaps not when you consider he was throwing to himself.

So he was throwing to one of the all time greats and still <50%? Even worse.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #65 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:51:40 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 09:41:12 AM

As Grange never won a Heisman, perhaps he is over rated.

Ha.

In his 20-game college career, Grange ran for 3,362 yards, caught 14 passes for 253 yards, and completed 40 of 82 passes for 575 yards. Of his 31 touchdowns, 16 were from at least 20 yards, with nine from more than 50 yards.^[10] He scored at least one touchdown in every game he played but one, a loss to Nebraska in his senior season. He earned All-America recognition three consecutive years, and appeared on the cover of Time on October 5, 1925.^[10] His number 77 was retired by the University of Illinois.^{[note 2]}

If we extrapolate his numbers out to 50 games they look pretty decent. Was he a run away winner for #77, I forget?

yeah and if he played college football today or even in the 80's when Barry Sanders did he'd absolutely suck.
Whereas if the winner of this poll- Sanders- played back then he'd run for oh, 8,000 yards and 100 touchdowns a season.

Hall of Fame RB Curtis Martin made a great point about Barry Sanders. He said it doesn't matter what era- you put him in todays game or in 1920- he'd still be the best RB. Can't really say that about any other RB. His ability to stop and start and accelerate through his cuts is something we've never seen before or since. And despite his short stature at 5'8 he was built as powerfully as they come. His calf muscles, thighs and legs were like tree trunks. Many a defender got their arms ripped off trying to arm tackle him.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #66 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:19:02 PM »

Someone like Herschel running in 1926 would have raised a lot of eyebrows.

ELA · « **Reply #67 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:43:19 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on August 25, 2018, 10:51:40 AM

yeah and if he played college football today or even in the 80's when Barry Sanders did he'd absolutely suck.
Whereas if the winner of this poll- Sanders- played back then he'd run for oh, 8,000 yards and 100 touchdowns a season.

Hall of Fame RB Curtis Martin made a great point about Barry Sanders. He said it doesn't matter what era- you put him in todays game or in 1920- he'd still be the best RB. Can't really say that about any other RB. His ability to stop and start and accelerate through his cuts is something we've never seen before or since. And despite his short stature at 5'8 he was built as powerfully as they come. His calf muscles, thighs and legs were like tree trunks. Many a defender got their arms ripped off trying to arm tackle him.

Yes, but so would Tom Harmon, and you voted for him, so...

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #68 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:00:28 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 25, 2018, 09:01:47 AM

"A trend thing" DOES work, if it's a trend, or correlation, or tendency, just not all the time.

Few things in life have a correlation coefficient of 1.0. That does not mean regressions are of no value.

A roulette wheel that is seriously unbalanced and hits red 5 10% of the time is useful information to a bettor even though it doesn't happen very often. It's often enough, and then some.

Right. If you note that something happens 99 times out of 100, people will then dwell on the one time it doesn't hold true.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #69 on:** August 25, 2018, 01:07:56 PM »

This Barry Sanders worship is odd.

Old-school coaches would boot Sanders off the field for not simply taking the hand-off and hitting the hole hard. They'd bitch and moan about his dancing around. Ricky Williams would dominate any era...so would Brown, Gordon, Simpson, Herschel, Emmitt, Payton, Bo, et al.

If you put Herschel or Campbell at tailback in the 20s, people would chastise you for lining up your nose guard in the backfield. But again, I don't think old-timey coaches would put up with the fact that Sanders (in his NFL career) had the most carries for no gain or a loss in history. It'd be the principle of the thing. Get to the hole ASAP and take your 3 yards and a cloud of dust, young man!

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