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Re: Best #21
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2018, 07:32:58 PM »
I was thinking career, but yes, Sanders as a backup would be a winner for a season.

No doubt.  Duh.

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Re: Best #21
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2018, 07:34:01 PM »
But would you take Thomas/Sanders, with Thomas getting the bulk of the carries over Sanders & your grandma - with Sanders toting the rock most of the time?

I say no.  Sanders' numbers as a backup were pretty ho-hum.
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2018, 07:40:52 PM »
Yeah, not sure exactly how you measure it.  You can have names, but you are basing that off what the backup became as a starter.

Biakabatuka backing up Wheatley?

Eddie George backing up Raymont Harris?

I'm not sure how good those duos are, I don't remember George as a backup, and barely remember Tim B.  But on paper they look really nice.  From an era when guys earned their stripes,.whether or not they deserved more PT, you get more situations like this . Now you'd see a more even distribution of carries.

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« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2018, 07:43:33 PM »
I wouldn't rate the backup by what he'd eventually become, but by his performance in the given season.  Barry Sanders had 5.7 yards per carry as a backup.  Not special.
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2018, 07:55:07 PM »
Interesting discussion.

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Re: Best #21
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2018, 08:14:22 PM »
I wouldn't rate the backup by what he'd eventually become, but by his performance in the given season.  Barry Sanders had 5.7 yards per carry as a backup.  Not special.
probably had too many carries
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« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2018, 08:44:04 PM »
Your mom had too many carries....




Anywho, some other pairs:
Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown - Auburn
LenDale White and Reggie Bush - USC
Calvin Jones and Derek Brown - Nebraska
Lawrence Phillips and Ahman Green - Nebraska
Alabama had a run there with great pairs of RBs----Ingram/Richardson, Richardson/Lacy, Lacy/Yeldon
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« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2018, 08:55:10 PM »
maybe a distinction between starter and back up vs a pair of co-starters

example above 

Calvin Jones and Derek Brown were referenced as we-backs

Lawrence Phillips and Ahman Green - Lawrence was the starter

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« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2018, 08:56:47 PM »
In leading Nebraska to its seventh NCAA rushing title in 12 years, Brown and Jones totaled 2,213 yards, the second-best I-back combination in Nebraska`s rich rushing tradition.

Mike Rozier and Jeff Smith had 2,587 yards between them in 1983, but Rozier (2,148) carried most of the load and won the Heisman Trophy. With Brown and Jones, the duties have been truly shared, especially during the second half of the season.

``I think this may be the best group of I-backs we`ve had, definitely since I`ve been there,`` said running backs coach Frank Solich, in his 13th year at Nebraska.

Brown rushed for 1,313 yards and 14 touchdowns to earn first-team All-Big Eight and third-team All-America honors. But Jones made bigger headlines by rushing for 294 yards and six touchdowns (both school records) on 29 carries against Kansas.
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« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2018, 09:03:07 PM »
Your mom had too many carries....

perhaps she was a Mike Rozier fan.
at the time of this list December of 1991
All-time rushing -  Years - Yards - Att - Avg. TD
Mike Rozier 1981-83 4,780 668 7.16 49
Ken Clark 1987-89 3,037 494 6.15 29
I.M. Hipp 1977-79 2,814 495 5.68 21
Keith Jones 1984-87 2,488 398 6.25 32
Rick Berns 1976-78 2,449 440 5.56 28
Roger Craig 1979-82 2,446 407 6.01 26
Jeff Kinney 1969-71 2,244 545 4.11 29
Doug DuBose 1982-85 2,205 362 6.09 16
Bobby Reynolds 1950-52 2,196 378 5.80 24
Jarvis Redwine 1979-80 2,161 304 7.10 17
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the back with the highest average had the most attempts - by far
the back with the fewest attempts had the 2nd highest average
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« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2018, 11:50:41 PM »
Yeah, it doesn't work for a bunch of different RB at different times.  It's more of a trend thing.

Also, blindly citing Nebraska RBs ypc numbers is silly as it ignores the ability of the QB's skill at the option.  The '83 offense was an all-timer, not only because of Rozier's ability, but also because of Gill's and an actual passing threat with Fryar.




If you really want to look at what I've said and understand it, I stand by the posts I made about what made Melvin Gordon special.  And that statistically, if a coach wants to eek out every last yard he can, his prominent ball-carriers' ypc averages should be nearly equal, as dictated by their number of carries.  
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2018, 07:55:31 AM »
Few would argue that Michel and Chubb are the best pair of RBs ever of course, but they did put up the most career yards, which is notable I think.  They also are #2 and #3 at UGA career.  That isn't easy sharing the load.  It is unusual today that draftable RBs like them stay four years of course, so that record may stand for a while.


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« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2018, 08:43:11 AM »
Yeah, it doesn't work for a bunch of different RB at different times.  It's more of a trend thing. Cool, so it doesn't work

Also, blindly citing Nebraska RBs ypc numbers is silly as it ignores the ability of the QB's skill at the option.  The '83 offense was an all-timer, not only because of Rozier's ability, but also because of Gill's and an actual passing threat with Fryar.  Cool, so it's silly because of many variables in an offense




If you really want to look at what I've said and understand it, I stand by the posts I made about what made Melvin Gordon special.  And that statistically, if a coach wants to eek out every last yard he can, his prominent ball-carriers' ypc averages should be nearly equal, as dictated by their number of carries.  I understand your point about sharing carries via YPC, but coaches aren't interested in every last yard, they are interested in converting 3rd downs, scoring, and winning.
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2018, 09:01:47 AM »
"A trend thing" DOES work, if it's a trend, or correlation, or tendency, just not all the time.

Few things in life have a correlation coefficient of 1.0.  That does not mean regressions are of no value.

A roulette wheel that is seriously unbalanced and hits red 5 10% of the time is useful information to a bettor even though it doesn't happen very often.  It's often enough, and then some.

 

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