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OrangeAfroMan

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Best #13
« on: June 19, 2018, 06:56:19 PM »
Lot a lot of options here.  Vote to see results.  Poll open 4 days.  College career only.
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2018, 09:41:53 AM »
Clarett - wow talk about a promising future that went south fast.
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2018, 04:52:17 PM »
Butler was a PK of course.
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2018, 09:16:24 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 20, 2018, 04:52:17 PM
Butler was a PK of course.
Umm, his dad was.....
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2018, 10:00:04 PM »
sorry, kickers of any sort don't win these votes
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 10:16:25 PM »
They should, shouldn't they?  Shouldn't the best kicker of all time (whoever that is) beat out say, the 20th-best QB of all-time?  

If there's been about 82 Heisman winners and if you don't count returners, kickers and punters make up 2/24 of the players on the field (8.3%).  So kickers and punters should have 6-7 Heismans......
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 10:27:40 PM »
they are kickers, dude

long snappers don't win anything either, unless they are also short snappers that block like Rimmington
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2018, 11:19:44 PM »
Has Vanderbilt won their proportionate share of SEC titles?  I agree it's too QB centric, but I cant think of a kicker possibly adding enough value to a team to overcome in a down year.

Is their any overarching stat like WAR for football players that measure players value on the whole across positions?  I'd be curious about that.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2018, 11:56:22 PM »
If you have a guy that doesn't miss from 50 and in, it's a virtual guaranteed 3 points anytime you get to the opponent's 35 - that's not worth a lot?!?  
Or a punter who nets 15 yards more than your opponents' punters?  15 yard advantage (gain?) every time you have to yield possession.....

I think we value each position very poorly.  A great punter is a huge yardage advantage in a game.  A great kicker puts points on the board and provides peace of mind.  

All that being said, kicker/punters are the radicalized version of "all other positions besides offensive skill positions".....10 linebackers should have a Heisman by now, 8 corners, 26 offensive linemen, etc.

That's the point.
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2018, 01:52:13 AM »
One could make a punter case, but I’d need some really good numbers on it. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2018, 03:21:08 PM »
The worse your offense is, the more important your punter.  I guess that's true of your defense, too (longer field).  So if the importance of your punter is in direct correlation with the quality of your team, then we need a guy with a great boot on a winless team for Heisman!
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 03:28:45 PM »
let's get a D-linemen and O-lineman a trophy first, then we'll talk about the kicker
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Re: Best #13
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2018, 03:49:09 PM »
Suh and Pace.
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