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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, week 9

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ELA

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2021, 01:22:17 PM »
Last week in parenthesis
  • OHIO STATE (1) - offense didn't quite look Death Starish, but the PSU secondary is legit
  • MICHIGAN STATE (4) - that's one way to re-ignite a Heisman candidacy
  • MICHIGAN (2) - still just an MSU loss in Columbus away from controlling their own BTT and CFP destiny
  • PENN STATE (5) - that effort a week earlier is a 35 point win
  • WISCONSIN (6) - and just like that, it's looking like Wisconsin is going to be back in Indy
  • MINNESOTA (7) - how many running backs does this team have
  • IOWA (3) - even the skeptics didn't think the offense was going to bottom out this badly
  • PURDUE (8) - nice bounceback
  • MARYLAND (12) - bottom six are bad AND inconsistent, so I'm just using the composite computer rankings, I have zero handle on it
  • NEBRASKA (11) - 
  • RUTGERS (14) - 
  • ILLINOIS (10) - 
  • INDIANA (9) - 
  • NORTHWESTERN (13) - 


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2021, 01:25:54 PM »
Last week in parenthesis

  • MICHIGAN (2) - still just an MSU loss in Columbus away from controlling their own BTT and CFP destiny
I think you are right,, but they would need MSU to lose twice to be sure.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2021, 01:33:29 PM »
I think you are right,, but they would need MSU to lose twice to be sure.
Yes, assuming Ohio State beats Nebraska and Purdue, that's true

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2021, 02:04:48 PM »
Yes, assuming Ohio State beats Nebraska and Purdue, that's true
I checked. Nope. In a three way tie at 8-1 between M, MSU, and TOSU it looks like tOSU would win.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2021, 02:23:52 PM »
I checked. Nope. In a three way tie at 8-1 between M, MSU, and TOSU it looks like tOSU would win.
Based on what?

I would assume it would be CFP ranking, which would likely be Michigan

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2021, 02:29:40 PM »
Based on what?

I would assume it would be CFP ranking, which would likely be Michigan
Tiebreakershttps://bigten.org/news/2011/8/10/Big_Ten_Conference_Football_Divisional_Tiebreaker.aspx


I *THINK* it goes to #5, record of B1G-W opponents which right now would be tOSU by a large margin.


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2021, 03:01:31 PM »
In the SEC, you'd take the two teams with the highest "BCS" ranking and then head to head for them.  I presume now it's CFP ranking.

So, if UM beats OSU end of the year and OSu beats MSU and all three are 8-1, it could be very close.  All three would be pretty highly ranked, but Ohio State would have a second loss (OOC) and might be lowest ranked.  If so, it would be MSU.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2021, 03:34:11 PM »
In the SEC, you'd take the two teams with the highest "BCS" ranking and then head to head for them.  I presume now it's CFP ranking.

So, if UM beats OSU end of the year and OSu beats MSU and all three are 8-1, it could be very close.  All three would be pretty highly ranked, but Ohio State would have a second loss (OOC) and might be lowest ranked.  If so, it would be MSU.
B1G tiebreakers are different, see link above.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2021, 05:43:42 PM »
On the other hand,  the fact that MSU keeps winning close games and Neb keeps losing close games needs to be taken into account some how too.  Actually winning the game does matter.
The comparison between those two is difficult.  They played H2H and it went to OT which suggests that they are fairly even.  They also both had close games with Michigan which again suggests that the Spartans and Cornhuskers are fairly even.  The big exception is that Nebraska smoked Northwestern while the Spartans won a much more competitive game against the Wildcats.  

It appears to me that both teams are playing up or down the the level of their opposition but for whatever reason MSU keeps coming out on top in the close games while UNL keeps losing.  MSU has no losses and one-score wins over:
  • OT over UNL
  • by five over IU
  • by four over M


Nebraska has zero one-score wins (their three wins were by 25, 45, and 49 points) and one score losses to:
  • IL by 8
  • OU by 7
  • MSU in OT
  • M by 3
  • MN by 7
  • PU by 5
That is just crazy.  

I agree that we have to take into account the fact that MSU won all three of their close games while UNL lost all six of theirs.  That said, the close wins by MSU over lesser opponents and the close losses by UNL to better opponents does make me think that MSU is somewhat worse and UNL somewhat better than their simple W/L would suggest.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2021, 06:05:09 PM »
1 MSU
2 OSU
3 Wisconsin
4 PSU
5 Michigan
I'm having trouble understanding your placement of Michigan.  Everybody else has them top-3 and you have them fifth.  I get the argument for MSU at #1 (I don't agree but I get the argument) but if MSU is #1 and Michigan's only loss is on the road at #1 by one score then how are they all the way down at #5 behind a team (Wisconsin) that they beat by three TD's?  

What I am saying is that I get the argument for MSU at #1 and I can also see an argument for M at #5 (that being that UW has improved and that PSU is fine as long as Clifford is good-to-go) but I can't figure out how to make those two arguments logically coexist.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2021, 06:17:39 PM »
  • Ohio State - 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 I do not think it is close. 
  • Michigan State - 5,6,6,6,8,7,9,9,11 I've been saying for weeks that I thought MSU was overrated.  I have no confidence in them due to their slew of close wins over bad teams.  That said, at this point they look like they might be the B1G's second best team.
  • Michigan - 2,2,3,3,3,3,5,5,5  I just don't know what to do with this team. 
  • Wisconsin - 4,5,5,5,7,4,3,3,2  I've been saying for weeks that Wisconsin was better than their record.  They sure looked like it this week! 
  • Penn State - 6,3,4,4,2,2,2,2,3 If only they had played like that against IL and IA. 
  • Iowa - 3,4,2,2,4,5,4,4,4  Wow, what a stupendous fall from their lofty heights.
  • Minnesota - 7,7,10,10,9,6,8,6,7  All alone in first place in the B1G-W!
  • Purdue - 9,8,12,12,11,11,11,11,10  Plugging along and with yet another opportunity for a "hangover game" upset coming up this week
  • Maryland - 10,9,8,8,5,8,6,7,12  These last six are almost pull a name out of a hat. 
  • Nebraska - 11,10,7,7,12,12,14,14,9 Seems to lose a close game every week. 
  • Indiana - 12,11,11,11,10,10,10,10,6  Competitive with UMD. 
  • Rutgers - 14,9,9,9,6,9,7,8,13  Amazing that IL could beat PSU one week and lose to these guys the next.
  • Illinois - 8,12,13,13,13,13,13,13,14  Back to earth! 
  • Northwestern - 13,14,14,14,14,14,12,12,8 Just not their year.


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2021, 06:30:57 PM »
Rankings preview, votes through me, 13 voters:

  • 1.23 tOSU
  • 1.85 MSU
  • 3.08 M
  • 4.46 UW
  • 5.23 PSU
  • 5.69 MN
  • 7.00 IA
  • 7.54 PU
  • 9.54 UMD
  • 10.00 UNL
  • 11.46 IL
  • 11.62 RU
  • 13.08 IU
  • 13.23 NU


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2021, 06:39:13 PM »
I feel like people are having a lot of trouble figuring Purdue out. 

It's simple. 

If Purdue is up against a team with an excellent or elite DL, Purdue is screwed. Our OL is passable at best, and with scheme we can do alright against average to good DL. But if you have an elite DL, you can shut down the run game and pressure the QB with 4 [and sometimes 3], and drop 7 [and sometimes 8] into coverage, and AOC can't be expected to pass into those tight windows all game long successfully. If Purdue is up against a team that can wear down our defense, we're in trouble. Our defense is good, but we don't have the depth to go 4 quarters against a ball control offense. 

If we're up against a team with an average to good DL, we have a puncher's chance. If we can establish at least a LITTLE bit of a run game that requires run support from the second level, we have the skill position players and the scheme to move the ball. If we're up against an offense that can be exploited by aggression, we can stall some drives and keep time of possession on our side, which we need because our offense isn't the most efficient. If we have an offense that can be forced into errors (like Nebraska), even better because we can put on the pressure for that.

Wisconsin killed us by shutting down our run game with 3-4 DL and daring us to pass into the teeth of their 7-8 man coverages, and then on the opposite side of the ball just grinding our aggressive defense into submission. They only threw 8 passes all game IIRC, because why let our defense try to generate pressure and force you into mistakes if you don't have to? Iowa couldn't pull that off--they didn't get their usual turnover margin and couldn't just run the ball down our throats. Nebraska the same--Purdue didn't have a great run game, but Purdue had a run game, and Purdue's defense forced Nebraska into all sorts of mistakes. 

Ohio State is going to destroy us. Michigan State, IMHO, will and should be heavy favorites, but there's at least more of a chance for Purdue to create chaos. Northwestern and Indiana will depend on which team makes mistakes, because they have no real talent advantage.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 9
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2021, 09:31:05 PM »
1. Michigan State
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan
4. Wisconsin
5. Penn State
6. Iowa
7. Minnesota
8. Purdue
9. Nebraska
10. Maryland
11. Rutgers
12. Illinois
13. Indiana
14. Northwestern

 

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