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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, week 5

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2020, 05:31:21 PM »
1) OSU: but not as convincing down the stretch as I thought the Buckeyes would be.
I'm still processing what I saw on Saturday.  I was so disappointed by the end of the game that:
  • You would have thought my team lost, and
  • You would be forgiven for forgetting that my team had a four TD lead on a top-10 opponent.  

Here is an interesting way to look at it.  Starting from immediately after IU's first TD and ending with Ohio State's fifth TD, here is what the two teams did:
Ohio State:
  • 7 plays, 75 yards, TD
  • 8 plays, 76 yards, TD
  • 9 plays, 93 yards, TD
  • 6 plays, 75 yards, TD
  • 30 plays, 319 yards, 4 TD's Total

Indiana:
  • 3 plays, 7 yards, Punt
  • 4 plays, 68 yards, Fumble
  • 1 play, knee, halftime
  • 8 plays, 75 yards, no points Total

That was from 11:03 remaining in the second quarter to 12:10 remaining in the third quarter (ie, less than 1/4 of the game.  

In that 1/4 of the game, the Buckeyes absolutely dominated on a pace to get 1,200+ yards and 112 points.  In the other three quarters of the game Indiana outscored tOSU 35-14.  


I'm not really sure what to make of that.  Is it good that Ohio State can be SO DOMINANT at times or bad that at other times (most of the game) they were pretty meh.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2020, 06:05:59 PM »

https://twitter.com/PurdueSports/status/1329997169676455936

based only on one PI call or are you looking at both of the controversy PI calls? 

the one that replay shows the MN Defender never touched a WR but got a PI called against him that extended a drive for a touch down for Purdue to get closer than 10 points 

or

the one that shows a weak push off of a WR on a MN defender to create separation that took away a go a head score?  keeping in mind the flag was thrown before the pass was completed so the Ref had no Idea the outcome when he threw the ball just that the WR pushed off

or

the fact that the QB then went a head and threw a Pick instead of a 2nd TD to effectively end the game

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2020, 06:18:59 PM »
I'm talking about the one from a ref: 


  • From St Paul, MN 
  • Who made a critical call in the 2018 Minnesota / Fresno State game extending the Gopher's game-winning drive
  • Calling an OPI that was so egregious that literally the entire sports world (not just Boilers) is claiming robbed the rightful outcome, AND...
  • Was so egregious that several major betting sites (FanDuel, DraftKings, PointsBet) refunded bettors based on this outcome

In 42 years of life I've never seen that called as OPI. 


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2020, 06:23:54 PM »
I want to preface this by saying that I'm not an MSU hater.  I wish they weren't as  bad as they are.  That said, they aren't just bad, they are horrible.  My question is WTF are you guys seeing in them to rank them ahead of ANY other team let alone multiple teams? 

Their games, chronologically:
  • They lost by 11 at home to Rutgers:  In Rutgers' other four games they lost in OT, lost by a FG, lost by 16, and lost by 22.  This is, by far, the worst performance of the year against RU, worse than tOSU, IU, M, and IL. 
  • They won by a FG in Ann Arbor: 
  • They lost by 42 in Iowa City:  In Iowa's other four games they won by 28 and 20 and lost by 1 and 4.  This is, by far, the worst performance of the year against Iowa, worse than PU, NU, PSU, and MN. 
  • They got shutout 24-0 at home by Indiana:  In Indiana's other four games they lost by a TD, won in OT, won by 16, and won by 17.  This is the worst performance of the year against IU, worse than tOSU, PSU, RU, and M. 

The Michigan game is clearly an outlier but even there, that performance against Michigan is only better than MN and RU.  It is still worse than UW and IU. 

What are you guys seeing that makes you think they are better than any other B1G team? 

IMO, Michigan was the outlier, even with as bad as Michigan is looking so far. If they had lost that game they would be behind PSU. I just have a hard time putting a team who is yet to win above anyone who actually did win one BIG game (on the road), my comment for PSU says this as well.

Also, if you look at IA@PSU, if it wasn't for a couple big plays for PSU in the 3rd, that score could have been a 30 point difference at home. Even with the weird year that it is, I still have to place getting crushed at home as worse than getting crushed on the road. If you look at your game comparisons, Iowa's other wins were on the road (@Minn and @PSU) so the point differential is a little skewed. 

If these two played on a neutral field, I would have a tough time picking a winner. Since we can't do a 13a and 13b, one of them had to be 14 so I went with the team who is yet to win, even tho 4 of their losses have been to teams with a winning record. FWIW, even tho MSU isn't exactly improving, PSU looks to be regressing like the players have quit.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2020, 06:41:00 PM »
I'm talking about the one from a ref:


  • From St Paul, MN
  • Who made a critical call in the 2018 Minnesota / Fresno State game extending the Gopher's game-winning drive
  • Calling an OPI that was so egregious that literally the entire sports world (not just Boilers) is claiming robbed the rightful outcome, AND...
  • Was so egregious that several major betting sites (FanDuel, DraftKings, PointsBet) refunded bettors based on this outcome

In 42 years of life I've never seen that called as OPI.


I've been watching college and NFL football longer than 42 years
never seen that called
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2020, 07:52:59 PM »
My view is that 8-14 are all bad. How bad is hard to tell. MSU has a terrible result against Rutgers, a good result against Michigan, and two expected results against far superior teams. Hard to judge how that relates to the other 8-14 teams that are also bad. Could MSU sit at the bottom? Sure it could. Penn State is currently o-fer, which seems crazy, but it's true. At least MSU has a win. And is MSU's win any worse than Illinois' or Nebraska's, or...

Point is they all kinda suck.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2020, 12:46:47 AM »
I've been watching college and NFL football longer than 42 years
never seen that called
Here is the rule on offensive pass interference.

Offensive pass interference is contact by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone that interferes with a Team B player during a legal forward pass play in which the forward pass crosses the neutral zone. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents. It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI):
1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and maintains the contact for no more than three yards beyond the neutral zone. (A.R. 7-3-10-II)
2. When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass. Eligible players of either team have equal rights to the ball (A.R. 7-3-8-IX).
3. When the pass is in flight and two or more eligible players are in the area where they might receive or intercept the pass and an offensive player in that area impedes an opponent, and the pass is not catchable.

The play
Did Payne Durham exercise is responsibility to avoid the opponent, or did he initiate contact with the opponent? If only Payne Durham had not extended his arm toward the opponent and apparently made contact with him, there would be no reason to post sour grapes about the officiating. The official had a good view. And, if Payne Durham hadn't extended his arm we wouldn't be talking about this because he probably would have beaten the defender who he was much taller than, was downfield of, and the ball was thrown only where the receiver could catch it.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2020, 08:39:06 AM »
What are you guys seeing that makes you think they are better than any other B1G team? 

First, I want to point to my disclaimer that I have no idea how to rank the bottom teams. :)

After further examination, if I were to rank them again, I may move Nebraska ahead of MSU. However, I really don't have confidence in that either. You could put MSU, Nebraska and PSU in a bag and pull them out in any order and probably be as close to correct as any other order right now. 


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2020, 08:42:55 AM »
true, by the letter of the rule it can be called

I've just never seen it called in decades of watching football

I often think about the letter of the rule when a penalty is called on Nebraska.  Just don't give the Ref any reason to even think about calling a penalty.  It's simple.

the official saw what he saw. he threw the flag.  It's up to his judgement.  I've just not seen an official judge that type of contact a foul in the past.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2020, 09:06:01 AM »

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2020, 10:04:19 AM »
he did put his hand on his back
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2020, 10:43:41 AM »
I've been watching college and NFL football longer than 42 years
never seen that called
In the OSU game, Fryfogle and Wade were hand fighting all the way down the field.  At the last second the WR grabbed the front collar of Wade , threw him to the ground, caught the pass and went in for TD.  They actually called Wade for PI!

Michigan got a similar PI call in the end zone late v Rutgers.   Was clearly offensive PI- but was called on defender.  

They rarely get offensive PI right. 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 5
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2020, 11:36:47 AM »
they rarely call offensive PI at all

when they do, it's usually very obvious

not just a receiver extending an arm
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