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Topic: B1G 2024 and beyond

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847badgerfan

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B1G 2024 and beyond
« on: November 20, 2023, 12:47:56 PM »
I'm for having divisions in the conference. 18 teams, 9 per division.

East

Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois

West

Oregon
Washington
USC
UCLA
UNL
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Northwestern
« Last Edit: November 20, 2023, 12:52:59 PM by 847badgerfan »
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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2023, 12:51:16 PM »
For a maximum of what, like, 1 cross-divisional game? 

That's not even the same conference anymore. 

Need to figure out some sort of pod system such as what's been proposed in the SEC if the networks pony up for the extra conference game and the league goes to 9 games. 

Or are you suggesting the B1G go to 10+ conference games?  

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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2023, 12:51:48 PM »
10 conference games, yes.
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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2023, 01:03:24 PM »
10 conference games, yes.
We've had this discussion before and I remain adamantly opposed to 10 conference games.  I would much rather see a 10th game scheduled by the league but against another league in something similar to the old B1G/ACC Challenge in BB.  

I think that with this many teams some sort of divisional structure will be necessary because the schedules will vary too greatly.  With 18 teams:
  • 10 game schedule, you still miss 7
  • 9 game schedule you miss 8
  • 8 game schedule you miss 9

The thing is that I think 18 is too many for divisions because:
For a maximum of what, like, 1 cross-divisional game? 

That's not even the same conference anymore. 

Need to figure out some sort of pod system such as what's been proposed in the SEC if the networks pony up for the extra conference game and the league goes to 9 games. 

Or are you suggesting the B1G go to 10+ conference games? 
If you have eight divisional games then you have only one or two non-divisional games.  

The problem is that 18 is not divisible by four so you can't make four equal pods.  

What I think would be workable and fun with 20 teams would be:
  • Four pods of five teams each.  
  • Nine game league schedule but you only announce eight.  The eight are the other four in your pod and four other games.  
  • Ninth game for each team is against whatever pod you are paired with 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4, 5vs5.  
  • The two 1vs1 one games are effectively Conference semi-finals with the winners meeting in the CG.  


The final weekend would basically all be competitive games.  If you win your pod, you play another pod winner.  If you are last in your pod, you play another bottom-feeder.  If you are struggling for bowl eligibility, you'll play another team that is probably borderline bowl eligible.  

The above actually makes more sense with 24 teams:
  • Four pods of six teams each.  
  • Nine game league schedule but you only announce eight.  The eight are the other five in your pod and one from each of the other three pods.  
  • Ninth game for each team is against whatever pod you are paid with 1vs1 . . . 6vs6.  
  • The two 1vs1 games are effectively Conference semi-finals with the winners meeting in the CG.  


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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2023, 01:16:10 PM »
Well, we're at 18 now, so I'm working with what we have.

There is essentially no school West of the Mississippi worth adding. An argument (not a strong one) could be made for one or two - at best. I say pass. The last teams truly worth arguing about for inclusion are now in the ACC - and they don't bring much to the party, IMO.

You need 6 to get to 24, obviously. The ACC is ripe for picking, but that GOR thing makes it difficult - and the SEC would also be picking.

ACC schools worth thinking about:

FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA, ND, and maybe Pitt and GT.
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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2023, 01:19:18 PM »
Tie breaker criteria for ccg participants is mind numbing when you have no divisions and that's just w 12 participants .  W 18 it will be insane 

I like a radical plan of changing divisions annually or every two years. 

This isn't a conference anymore.  It's a media network conglomerate.

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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2023, 01:24:36 PM »
Pretty sad.

In my proposal, I have 3 charters in each division. 
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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2023, 01:27:02 PM »
It's a fun thought process to come up with divisions or pods but I think it's hard to beat the division-less flex protect plan put together by the Big Ten. 

With that said, if they were forced for some reason to go with divisions, how about this

West division (4). - USC, UCLA, Ore, Wash

North division (5). -  Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW

South division (5) - ILL, PUR, Ind,  Mich, MSU

East division (4) -  Rut,  MD, PSU, OSU


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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2023, 02:37:36 PM »
It's a fun thought process to come up with divisions or pods but I think it's hard to beat the division-less flex protect plan put together by the Big Ten. 

With that said, if they were forced for some reason to go with divisions, how about this

West division (4). - USC, UCLA, Ore, Wash Add Stanford

North division (5). -  Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW

South division (5) - ILL, PUR, Ind,  Mich, MSU

East division (4) -  Rut,  MD, PSU, OSU Add UVA


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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2023, 05:44:53 PM »
This isn't a conference anymore.  It's a media network conglomerate.
That's not even the same conference anymore. 
Ed zachery - it's too big to play every other program on a regular basis

2 divisions of 9 teams each - 9 conference games - pick your one cross over
play everyone in your division every season and develop good old fashioned rivalries - almost regional with east-west
it's 2 conferences with a playoff in December
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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2023, 06:13:58 PM »
Ed zachery - it's too big to play every other program on a regular basis

2 divisions of 9 teams each - 9 conference games - pick your one cross over
play everyone in your division every season and develop good old fashioned rivalries - almost regional with east-west
it's 2 conferences with a playoff in December
Lol,  if you are 1 side of the magic dividing line,  you are stuck playing all the new west coast teams every year.  The other side you are stuck playing MD and Rutgers every year. 

USC is like "did I join the Big Ten to play Neb, Iowa and NW every year and then play Mich, OSU, PSU once every 9 years?"  TV would hate that.
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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2023, 06:34:26 PM »
if USC steps up and wins the division they can play one of the big 3 from the east every season in the Champ game in December

we've all known that money is eventually going to ruin college football if it hasn't already
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Re: B1G 2024 and beyond
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2023, 08:15:53 PM »
An "A" division and a "B" division, with promotion and relegation. 
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