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CatsbyAZ

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Awful Clock Management
« on: July 29, 2017, 06:04:38 AM »
What are some examples of the worst in-game clock management you've seen committed by an HC & his staff? Which specific games come to mind?

Trying to remember some recent college game examples because it's mostly the NFL culprits in their person that come to mind - Andy Reid, Herm Edwards, Mike Smith, etc.

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2017, 12:07:25 PM »
Danny Hope (Purdue / Notre Dame 2009) and Darrell Hazell (numerous) come to mind.


Les Miles was known for some bone-headed clock management problems. I can't call out any specific situations though.

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2017, 12:22:49 PM »
"some people just wanna see the world burn, and some people just want to talk about the pain"

this is a painful subject for a UTk fan.  I don't think it's ever worked out in the Vols favor.  Except once.  In one of Richts earlier seasons as a HC, he mismanaged the clock and cost his team a shot.  Of course soon thereafter there was this 'hobnail boot' thing that happened. 

Miles in the Auburn game either last season or the one before comes to mind.  it defied not only logic but reality itself....

the thing about it is, though, is in many of these situations the offending coach could just as easily come out looking like a genius as a clown- and only separated by a millisecond of indecisiveness.   

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 03:05:57 PM »
Bielema was (is) prone to a lot of brain farts that I recall.
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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2017, 03:25:46 PM »
The punt. Michigan vs Michigan State 2 years ago.


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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2017, 11:22:59 PM »
Homer Smith wrote a great book on clock mgmt in 2004.   


Kevin Steele was head coach at Baylor in 1999 and BU led UNLV 24-21 w under 20 secs left and with the ball inside univ 10.  Instead of taking a knee, Steele wanted to instill an attitude to finish and they handed the ball off in an effort to score,  and UNLV forced a fumble and it back 90+ yards for a game winning TD as time expired.

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 12:25:31 AM »
Eh, I have no problem with running a play in that situation.  I don't know how often a fumble return for a TD occurs, but I'm certain it's well under 1%.  So yes, I'll take the >99% chance.  The difference between the regular running play and the kneel down isn't statistically significant.

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2017, 07:21:53 AM »

Miles in the Auburn game either last season or the one before comes to mind.  it defied not only logic but reality itself....
 

I remember that game now, and if anything the refs botched the clock too. You knew something went wrong when BOTH teams rush the field in victory. The Auburn-LSU rivalry has a history of weird endings and strange clock twists, the 2007 game most coming to mind.

There was a game last year @ Navy where UCONN, down 28-24 had the clock stopped with 0:17 left and the ball on the Navy 1 yard line. UCONN had one timeout left and even though the clock was already stopped they went ahead and called their last timeout. Problem was when they ran the next play it was stuffed by Navy at the goal line and UCONN, with the clock running and no way to stop it, and no plan for a second play, couldn't set back up in time to run another play. Pulling the trigger on that last timeout completely cost UCONN the game.

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2017, 09:01:43 AM »
Bielema was (is) prone to a lot of brain farts that I recall.

That TCU/UW Rose Bowl BB botched the last 7+ minutes.Behind by 8 they just ran the clock down losing time they could not replace.Never going with the no huddle.He also found out too late that TCU had no answer for John Clay.A very winnable affair and UW's HC was their worst enemy.Watched that game with some friends and we couldn't believe the ineptitude displayed by BB.All of us agreed he was blowing it as the game progressed and that it had to be maddening to be a UW fan  :91: .Checked the UW boards the next day and BB was getting filleted.Never thought he was that great of a loss to UW.Congrats to TCU and all that but a guy like BA or PC would have won that game IMO.
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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2017, 09:39:07 AM »
That TCU/UW Rose Bowl BB botched the last 7+ minutes.Behind by 8 they just ran the clock down losing time they could not replace.Never going with the no huddle.He also found out too late that TCU had no answer for John Clay.A very winnable affair and UW's HC was their worst enemy.Watched that game with some friends and we couldn't believe the ineptitude displayed by BB.All of us agreed he was blowing it as the game progressed and that it had to be maddening to be a UW fan  :91: .Checked the UW boards the next day and BB was getting filleted.Never thought he was that great of a loss to UW.Congrats to TCU and all that but a guy like BA or PC would have won that game IMO.
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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2017, 02:14:40 PM »
Minnesota against Michigan in 2015 is the first example I think of. They could've gotten 3 plays off in the time it took them to get their last play off from the 1-yard line with the game on the line.
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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2017, 07:08:23 PM »
As time goes by you forget specifics but I remember the App St-Tennessee game last year ASU absolutely screwed the pooch at the end of the game.


LSU scoring a TD with 1 second left on a heave into the end zone against Auburn bailed Miles out of a bonehead move.

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2017, 08:10:55 PM »
One great example where bad clock management actually worked out amazingly well was the 2005 Capitol One Bowl. 
LSU vs. IOWA.  Nick Saban's last game at LSU.  Iowa trailed by 1 point with a minute and half left.  Alll IOWA needs is a FG to win.  Iowa completes a pass short of first down, then lines up to spike the ball but gets an illegal motion penalty.  The Iowa QB Drew Tate does not know that the clock does not stop on an offensive penalty.  The clock runs and runs while Iowa huddles, by the time the ball is hiked,  it becomes obvious that it would be the last play of the game.  So Iowa sends all 5 WR's deep (but not in hail mary formation) and Tate ends up throwing a 60 yard game winning TD on the last play of the game.  The reciever caught the ball at the 15 and was almost tackled by the DB, but he kept his balance and made it to the end zone.  The WR was a 5th year senior playing the last play of his career, and it was the first and only TD catch he ever had.

One reason the play worked out is LSU was not in prevent mode because their defense was set up to stop Iowa from getting in FG range, and did not substitute for a last second deep route.  But really it was just dumb luck on Iowa's part.

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Re: Awful Clock Management
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2017, 08:27:10 PM »
In the Florida-Tennessee game 2 years ago, where UF converted a 4th and 14 for a game-winning TD pass, UT got the ball down to around Florida's 35 or so.  They then inexplicably squandered over 30 seconds and I still have no idea how or why or who screwed up.  They just acted as if the game wasn't ending.  They then try a 55-yard FG and miss it, losing the game.

I've watched it a couple of times and still can't fathom what in the hell they were doing/thinking/pooping.
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