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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: CatsbyAZ on July 29, 2017, 06:04:38 AM
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What are some examples of the worst in-game clock management you've seen committed by an HC & his staff? Which specific games come to mind?
Trying to remember some recent college game examples because it's mostly the NFL culprits in their person that come to mind - Andy Reid, Herm Edwards, Mike Smith, etc.
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Danny Hope (Purdue / Notre Dame 2009) and Darrell Hazell (numerous) come to mind.
Les Miles was known for some bone-headed clock management problems. I can't call out any specific situations though.
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"some people just wanna see the world burn, and some people just want to talk about the pain"
this is a painful subject for a UTk fan. I don't think it's ever worked out in the Vols favor. Except once. In one of Richts earlier seasons as a HC, he mismanaged the clock and cost his team a shot. Of course soon thereafter there was this 'hobnail boot' thing that happened.
Miles in the Auburn game either last season or the one before comes to mind. it defied not only logic but reality itself....
the thing about it is, though, is in many of these situations the offending coach could just as easily come out looking like a genius as a clown- and only separated by a millisecond of indecisiveness.
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Bielema was (is) prone to a lot of brain farts that I recall.
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The punt. Michigan vs Michigan State 2 years ago.
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Homer Smith wrote a great book on clock mgmt in 2004.
Kevin Steele was head coach at Baylor in 1999 and BU led UNLV 24-21 w under 20 secs left and with the ball inside univ 10. Instead of taking a knee, Steele wanted to instill an attitude to finish and they handed the ball off in an effort to score, and UNLV forced a fumble and it back 90+ yards for a game winning TD as time expired.
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Eh, I have no problem with running a play in that situation. I don't know how often a fumble return for a TD occurs, but I'm certain it's well under 1%. So yes, I'll take the >99% chance. The difference between the regular running play and the kneel down isn't statistically significant.
I know, I know, tell Baylor that.
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Miles in the Auburn game either last season or the one before comes to mind. it defied not only logic but reality itself....
I remember that game now, and if anything the refs botched the clock too. You knew something went wrong when BOTH teams rush the field in victory. The Auburn-LSU rivalry has a history of weird endings and strange clock twists, the 2007 game most coming to mind.
There was a game last year @ Navy where UCONN, down 28-24 had the clock stopped with 0:17 left and the ball on the Navy 1 yard line. UCONN had one timeout left and even though the clock was already stopped they went ahead and called their last timeout. Problem was when they ran the next play it was stuffed by Navy at the goal line and UCONN, with the clock running and no way to stop it, and no plan for a second play, couldn't set back up in time to run another play. Pulling the trigger on that last timeout completely cost UCONN the game.
Here's a poor quality video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daxbg6_Yjt8
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Bielema was (is) prone to a lot of brain farts that I recall.
That TCU/UW Rose Bowl BB botched the last 7+ minutes.Behind by 8 they just ran the clock down losing time they could not replace.Never going with the no huddle.He also found out too late that TCU had no answer for John Clay.A very winnable affair and UW's HC was their worst enemy.Watched that game with some friends and we couldn't believe the ineptitude displayed by BB.All of us agreed he was blowing it as the game progressed and that it had to be maddening to be a UW fan :91: .Checked the UW boards the next day and BB was getting filleted.Never thought he was that great of a loss to UW.Congrats to TCU and all that but a guy like BA or PC would have won that game IMO.
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That TCU/UW Rose Bowl BB botched the last 7+ minutes.Behind by 8 they just ran the clock down losing time they could not replace.Never going with the no huddle.He also found out too late that TCU had no answer for John Clay.A very winnable affair and UW's HC was their worst enemy.Watched that game with some friends and we couldn't believe the ineptitude displayed by BB.All of us agreed he was blowing it as the game progressed and that it had to be maddening to be a UW fan :91: .Checked the UW boards the next day and BB was getting filleted.Never thought he was that great of a loss to UW.Congrats to TCU and all that but a guy like BA or PC would have won that game IMO.
He basically single handidly lost them the MSU game in 2008
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Minnesota against Michigan in 2015 is the first example I think of. They could've gotten 3 plays off in the time it took them to get their last play off from the 1-yard line with the game on the line.
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As time goes by you forget specifics but I remember the App St-Tennessee game last year ASU absolutely screwed the pooch at the end of the game.
LSU scoring a TD with 1 second left on a heave into the end zone against Auburn bailed Miles out of a bonehead move.
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One great example where bad clock management actually worked out amazingly well was the 2005 Capitol One Bowl.
LSU vs. IOWA. Nick Saban's last game at LSU. Iowa trailed by 1 point with a minute and half left. Alll IOWA needs is a FG to win. Iowa completes a pass short of first down, then lines up to spike the ball but gets an illegal motion penalty. The Iowa QB Drew Tate does not know that the clock does not stop on an offensive penalty. The clock runs and runs while Iowa huddles, by the time the ball is hiked, it becomes obvious that it would be the last play of the game. So Iowa sends all 5 WR's deep (but not in hail mary formation) and Tate ends up throwing a 60 yard game winning TD on the last play of the game. The reciever caught the ball at the 15 and was almost tackled by the DB, but he kept his balance and made it to the end zone. The WR was a 5th year senior playing the last play of his career, and it was the first and only TD catch he ever had.
One reason the play worked out is LSU was not in prevent mode because their defense was set up to stop Iowa from getting in FG range, and did not substitute for a last second deep route. But really it was just dumb luck on Iowa's part.
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In the Florida-Tennessee game 2 years ago, where UF converted a 4th and 14 for a game-winning TD pass, UT got the ball down to around Florida's 35 or so. They then inexplicably squandered over 30 seconds and I still have no idea how or why or who screwed up. They just acted as if the game wasn't ending. They then try a 55-yard FG and miss it, losing the game.
I've watched it a couple of times and still can't fathom what in the hell they were doing/thinking/pooping.
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I think James Franklin had some bad ones in 2014. He could've cost OSU a national title with better time management at the end of regulation. He also messed up the Michigan game that year. I haven't noticed anything glaring the last few years, so maybe he has cleaned it up.
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Homer Smith wrote a great book on clock mgmt in 2004.
Kevin Steele was head coach at Baylor in 1999 and BU led UNLV 24-21 w under 20 secs left and with the ball inside univ 10. Instead of taking a knee, Steele wanted to instill an attitude to finish and they handed the ball off in an effort to score, and UNLV forced a fumble and it back 90+ yards for a game winning TD as time expired.
From ESPN's "The 100 plays that define CFB" That is #85.
UNLV Athletics
#85
BLUE STEELE
Waco, Texas | Sept. 11, 1999
Baylor had gone 4-18 in its previous two seasons, so when the Bears stood at the UNLV 8 with a 24-21 lead and time running out, first-year coach Kevin Steele went for attitude and one more score. But Rebels corner Andre Hilliard jarred the ball loose from Darrell Bush near the goal line. UNLV's Kevin Thomas scooped it and ran 100 yards for the 27-24 victory. To this day, coaches Steele themselves to take the knee.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/features/the100?index=85 (http://www.espn.com/ncf/features/the100?index=85)
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He basically single handidly lost them the MSU game in 2008
If I remember correctly the Badgers blew this game due to unnecessary defensive adjustments, which were especially glaring in the secondary. With 9 minutes left the Badgers were up 24-13 and MSU was able to put together three drives of a touchdown and two field goals to win 25-24. What stood out were at least three 3rd & +12 passing situations where MSU was able to find wide open receivers sprinting through a confused secondary of six & seven dropped back DBs. It looked like Bielema was attempting to implement a prevent defense that the players weren't used to.
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If I remember correctly the Badgers blew this game due to unnecessary defensive adjustments, which were especially glaring in the secondary. With 9 minutes left the Badgers were up 24-13 and MSU was able to put together three drives of a touchdown and two field goals to win 25-24. What stood out were at least three 3rd & +12 passing situations where MSU was able to find wide open receivers sprinting through a confused secondary of six & seven dropped back DBs. It looked like Bielema was attempting to implement a prevent defense that the players weren't used to.
There were a number of reasons, the one you mentioned.
BB I think took two 15 yard penalties.
A questionable holding penalty that negated a game sealing TD.
Some bad play calls putting the ball in the air, when Wisconsin had been running the ball at will, that both stopped the clock and killed UW drives
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At Penn State, Bill O'Brien burned a lot of timeouts early in games, like in the first drive, when most everything should have been scripted.
Franklin has burned several timeouts early, as well.
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2015 Nebraska at Illinois
Nebraska led 13-7 and had third-and-seven at the Illinois 27 with less than one minute left in the game. Illinois had no timeouts. All NU had to do was run the ball, burn another 35-40 seconds off the clock, and the Illini would have virtually no chance to go the length of the field and win the game.
But quarterback Tommy Armstrong ran a bootleg and inexplicably threw a pass (http://www.omaha.com/huskers/chatelain-pin-this-loss-squarely-on-riley-and-langsdorf/article_899171ee-6a2e-11e5-8f5e-b770878cd57d.html). Devine Ozigbo couldn't grab it. The clock stopped. NU failed to convert fourth-and-seven. And, from there, Illinois had enough time to go down the field and win.
So what happened? Did Nebraska really call a pass on that play, in the face of all sensible logic?
According to coaches Mike Riley and Danny Langsdorf, no.
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I was hoping this wasn't mentioned. I attended this game, absolutely should've never happened. The Riley and Co. gameplan was a travesty. Here its misting/light rain most of the game, and extremely windy, and Riley's got Armstrong throwing the ball way down the field all throughout the game. After the failed bootleg, I was yelling outwardly, a rare public outburst by me, the Illinois fans around me didn't immediately grasp what I felt, it was over, and now they had life. #
# this doesn't even mention how the refs/BT replay review so badly handled the chains/down and distance sequence for Illinois in the 3rd. Such a strange football game.
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my brother and his son also attended that awful game
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Danny Hope (Purdue / Notre Dame 2009) and Darrell Hazell (numerous) come to mind.
Les Miles was known for some bone-headed clock management problems. I can't call out any specific situations though.
that's cause most of his worked out for him.
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There were a number of reasons, the one you mentioned.
BB I think took two 15 yard penalties.
A questionable holding penalty that negated a game sealing TD.
Some bad play calls putting the ball in the air, when Wisconsin had been running the ball at will, that both stopped the clock and killed UW drives
IIRC BB also called a timeout early in the 3rd quarter for the sole purpose of haranguing the line judges on his side of the field, a timeout that would have come in handy on their last possession.
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Timeouts were a much more valuable commodity for those 4-5 years where the clock ran a lot more (forget the exact rules). Teams were only getting like 7-8 possessions per game (back when Urban was at Florida).
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Timeouts were a much more valuable commodity for those 4-5 years where the clock ran a lot more (forget the exact rules). Teams were only getting like 7-8 possessions per game (back when Urban was at Florida).
I believe it was just one year, 2006.
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There were a number of reasons, the one you mentioned.
BB I think took two 15 yard penalties.
A questionable holding penalty that negated a game sealing TD.
Some bad play calls putting the ball in the air, when Wisconsin had been running the ball at will, that both stopped the clock and killed UW drives
BB was terrible that whole season to be honest, and he almost got his walking papers. He had to clean up his life in order to keep his job.
And yes, the two 15 yarders killed UW that day, along with very questionable calls.
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Franklin had some in the Northwestern game two years ago.
Urban's was less than desired at the end of the PSU game last season.
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Good point. Urban never admitted any mistake on that FG. It seems so obvious to use a timeout there when it was that chaotic. I'll still take the good with the bad as I prefer Meyer's way overall, but Tressel probably would've closed that game out.
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Minnesota against Michigan in 2015 is the first example I think of. They could've gotten 3 plays off in the time it took them to get their last play off from the 1-yard line with the game on the line.
was thinking of this one. cost Limegrover his OC position
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Timeouts were a much more valuable commodity for those 4-5 years where the clock ran a lot more (forget the exact rules). Teams were only getting like 7-8 possessions per game (back when Urban was at Florida).
Dana IIRC BB also called a timeout early in the 3rd quarter for the sole purpose of haranguing the line judges on his side of the field, a timeout that would have come in handy on their last possession.
Dana Holgorsen did that one time against Syracuse. Called a TO just for extra time to bitch.
He also burned through all three second half timeouts by the 6:00 mark of the third quarter in the 2013 against Oklahoma. I almost jumped through the TV on that one.