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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2020, 03:24:17 PM »
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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2020, 03:49:20 PM »
Which P5 teams average the fewest wins per season? How do they stack up against demoted (former) P5 teams like Temple, Rice and Tulane?
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2020, 04:27:18 PM »
Since we are doing this:

Ohio State's record while I was there (1993-1997, I got an extra major by staying an extra fall and got an extra football season out of the deal as well):  51-11-1

  • 1993:  10-1-1:  Started 8-0.  The highlight was handing PSU their second ever and second consecutive Big11Ten loss (the Nittany Lions lost to Michigan two weeks prior then had a week off get ready for tOSU).  The tOSU/PSU game was #3 vs #12.  PSU was #7 before their Michigan loss, dropped to #14 after losing then climbed to #12 on their idle week.  A week after beating Penn State the Buckeyes traveled to Madison.  Ohio State was riding high at #3 while Wisconsin was 7-1 but only ranked #15 because their loss was to a horrible Minnesota team.  The Buckeyes and Badgers tied and Ohio State dropped to #5 in the poll.  I remember being incredibly ticked that they got jumped by Nebraska who had barely survived a HORRIBLE Kansas team (21-20, I think it was controversial too but I don't remember).  The Buckeyes were #5 and still plausibly in the NC race at 9-0-1 when they headed to Ann Arbor on November 20.  Cooper, Michigan, that is really all you need to know about that.  The Buckeyes and Badgers tied at 6-1-1 in conference and the Badgers got the RB bid on the basis of the old "longest loser rule".  At that point Ohio State hadn't been to the Rose Bowl since the 1984 season but the Badgers had never been in a RB televised in color.  For an 18 year old guy Ohio State's (then) nine year absence from the Rose Bowl seemed like an eternity and I just hated that my team lost on a stupid tiebreaker to a team that my team should have beaten anyway, oh well.  At the time the conference's #2 bowl was the Holiday so 9-1-1 and #11 Ohio State got matched up with unranked and 6-5 BYU.  
  • 1994:  9-4:  A bit of a rebuilding year.  The Buckeyes started out #20 and lost early in Seattle to the Huskies.  They stayed barely ranked then climbed to #17 before losing at home to Illinois and dropping out completely.  At the end of October the Buckeyes were back up to #21 and they still controlled their own destiny in the league (because Illinois had two losses).  So the Buckeyes headed to State College and got absolutely drilled by the Nittany Lions, 63-14.  That dropped the Buckeyes back out of the poll.  Despite this being a rebuilding year, one of the highlights of my time in Columbus was the November 19, 1994 game in Columbus between the #22 Buckeyes and the visiting #15 Wolverines.  Ohio State won 22-6.  Note that Cooper was able to beat Michigan so long as nothing was riding on the game.  PSU had already long-since clinched the Big11Ten title and RB berth so the Buckeyes and Wolverines were playing for second.  The win pushed the Buckeyes up to #13 and they were 9-3 and #13 heading into the Citrus Bowl against 11-1 and #6 Bama.  That matchup seemed completely unfair to me.  The Tide had been 11-0 and a serious NC contender before losing in Atlanta to the Gators by a single point and they were too much for the 9-3 Buckeyes but I was proud that my team played a solid game against the Tide, losing by a TD, 24-17.  
  • 1995:  11-2:  The Buckeyes started out #12 and climbed all the way to 11-0 and #2 but Cooper was Cooper so they lost their last two (Michigan and Bowl) to finish 11-2 and #6.  I'm pretty sure Tim Biakabutuka just scored again.  
  • 1996:  11-1:  The Buckeyes returned a lot and started #9 then climbed all the way to 10-0 and #2 before hosing 7-3 and #21 Michigan.  Cooper was Cooper so after that loss they dropped to #6 but then climbed to #5 when #5 Colorado lost to #4 Nebraska and further to #4 when #3 Nebraska lost the B12CG.  My parents, little brother, and I drove to Pasadena for the Rose Bowl between 11-0 and #2 ASU and 10-1 and #4 Ohio State.  The Buckeyes won and on the way home we listed on the radio to the rematch between 11-0 and #1 FSU and 11-1 and #3 UF.  We were rooting for a sloppy and REALLY close UF win but the Gators left no doubts, won 52-20 and claimed the NC leaving the Buckeyes #2 and lamenting yet another loss to Michigan.  
  • 1997:  10-3:  The Buckeyes started out #9 and climbed to #7 before losing to pre-season (and still at the time) #1 Penn State.  After that the Buckeyes climbed all the way to #4 before traveling to Ann Arbor to take on #1 Michigan.  Cooper being Cooper the result of that game is easy to guess and after the loss the Buckeyes dropped to #9 then lost again to #4 FSU in the Sugar Bowl and finished 10-3 and #12.  

Highlights:
  • One of John Cooper's two wins over Michigan as coach at Ohio State that I saw in person.  
  • The Rose Bowl win over ASU that I saw in person.  
  • Beating PSU in the first matchup of the two teams as conference-mates and going 3-2 against them.  
  • Being THISCLOSE to the NC in 1993, 1995, and 1996.  
Lowlights:
  • 1-4 against Michigan
  • 2-3 in bowls
  • Being THISCLOSE to the NC in 1993, 1995, and 1996 and not being able to get over that hump


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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2020, 04:41:26 PM »
Which P5 teams average the fewest wins per season? How do they stack up against demoted (former) P5 teams like Temple, Rice and Tulane?
looks like indiana and nw, per the list in op.

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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2020, 04:48:47 PM »
I was at UGA 1972-1974.  I went summers and got out in three.  I mostly enjoyed my time there.  This period included streaking as a thing and UGA excelled at running around nekkid.

1972 - 7-4, with losses to Tulane, Bama, Tenn, and Auburn.  Did beat Florida and Tech.  Meh.

1973 - 7-4-1, tied Pitt, lost to Bama, Vandy and Kentucky, Florida, the last three losses by 4, 5, and 1.  Upset Tennessee. Beat Maryland in the Peach Bowl.

1974 - 6-6, lost to Houston and Miami of Ohio (Tangerine Bowl), not a good year.  Did upset No. 6 Florida.

So, they were glad to see me leave town.  In 1975, they were 9-3 and made the Cotton Bowl (a loss).  In 1976, they won the conference.  They beat Alabama 21-0 and then went on the road to lose to a poor Ole Miss team.  Pitt smoked them in the Sugar Bowl.




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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2020, 04:50:11 PM »
I was at Florida during the Zook years, so that stunk.  But I had first row, corner of the end zone season tickets.  I was on the jumbo-tron a lot and high-fived the players all the time.  That's where Orange Afro Man comes from - the jumbo-tron gave me my own graphic/name.

But Florida only went 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5 those years.
2002 highlight was being Georgia's only loss as an unranked team in the WLOCP.  I'm not sure Florida had been unranked in my entire memory before midseason of '02, actually.  Anyway, we cost the Dawgs a shot at the NC, so that works.

2003 - played spoiler again, giving LSU its only loss of the season, but they actually went on to win the NC anyway.  Also beat a top-5 Georgia team again, lol.  CB Keiwan Ratliff had a big season, with 9 INT and 4 defensive TDs.  And true FR QB Chris Leak started his career with promise.

2004 - Leak blossomed, RB Fason had a big season, but the year sucked.  We lost to anyone who mattered, until a magical night in Tallahassee.  On the night they christened it Bobby Bowden field, something strange happened - on the night of my best friend's wedding, we beat the Noles.  They got married at Sawgrass (her parents are rich), and I'm walking down the hall to the bar over and over to catch some of the game during the reception. 

It was cool to have those seats, cool to get my own name/graphic, but not a great time frame.  

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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2020, 05:09:38 PM »
That's just when I was starting to pay attention to college football.  I didn't remember tOSU's 3-year stretch had been quite that good.  That's a hell of a run to only emerge with one national championship.
I've seen Woody's 1967 recruiting class referred to as the best ever and they probably have a pretty strong case for it.  Remember that Freshman couldn't play back then so in the three years that they played they went 27-2 and were two games from three straight NC's.  

As Sophomores in 1968 they started #11.  In their third game on October 12 they defeated preseason (and still at the time) #1 Purdue 13-0.  They didn't take over #1 until after smothering the Wolverines 50-14 then played a (then) rare #1 vs #2 game against 9-0-1 USC in the Rose Bowl and won the NC.  

In 1969 they started #1 and stayed there until losing to Bo's first Michigan team in Ann Arbor.  

In 1970 they started #1 again but dropped to #2 in the October 26 poll (defending NC Texas had defeated Rice 45-21 the previous week while Ohio State defeated Illinois 48-29).  They dropped to #3 the next week (also behind ND) and dropped all the way to #5 in the November 16 poll behind TX, ND, UNL, and M.  Then they defeated #4 Michigan in a match-up of unbeaten and untied teams and regained #2.  Heading into the Bowls Ohio State was #2 but as it turned out they did control their own destiny because #1 Texas lost 24-11 to #6 ND in the Cotton Bowl.  That was an interesting ending to the season that allowed Nebraska to pick up their first NC:
  • #1 Texas lost 24-11 to #6 Notre Dame.  That knocked the Longhorns out.  
  • #2 Ohio State lost 27-17 to #12 Stanford.  That knocked the Buckeyes out.  
  • #3 Nebraska beat #5 LSU* 17-12 in the Orange Bowl.  
  • #4 Tennessee* beat #11 Air Force 34-13 in the Sugar Bowl.  
  • #5 LSU lost 17-12 to #3 Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.  
  • #6 ND beat #1 Texas 24-11 in the Cotton Bowl.  
  • #7 Michigan did not play due to the Big Ten's RoseBowl only policy.  


Nebraska's tie was 21-21 in LA with USC early in the season.  That doesn't sound bad except that the Trojans were a mere 6-4-1 that year with losses to Stanford, Oregon, Cal, and UCLA.  

*I don't know what happened in the SEC that year.  It appears to me that LSU was the Champion because they went 9-3 but the three losses were to aTm (not an SEC member back then), ND (not an SEC member) and the bowl loss to Nebraska.  Tennessee had a better overall record at 11-1 but the one loss was a conference loss to Auburn.  I didn't realize there had been a time when the SEC Champion went to the Orange Bowl.  

Nebraska went into the bowls needing a whole lot of help and they got it.  Notre Dame's and Stanford's bowl wins were as integral to Nebraska's NC as any of their own wins.  

After winning the NC in 1968 Woody's Buckeyes were extremely close four more times:

  • 1969 lost final game as #1 to Michigan.  
  • 1970 lost RB to Stanford as #2 but #1 TX lost so a win would have meant an NC.  
  • 1973 tied Michigan and finished 10-0-1 and #2.  
  • 1975 lost RB to UCLA as #1.  The annoying part is that the Buckeyes had already defeated UCLA in the Rose Bowl (stadium not game) earlier that season.  The Buckeyes won the first game 41-20 and lost the second 23-10, ugh.  

From 1968-1975 the Buckeyes won one NC and they were a single game each away from four or possibly five more.  They went:
  • 10-0 NC
  • 8-1 (M loss cost a NC)
  • 9-1 (RB loss cost a NC)
  • 6-4 (rebuilding year)
  • 9-2 (RB loss may have cost them an NC.  They were #3 heading into the bowls and played #1 USC.  #2 OU already had a loss so a win over #1 may have been enough to leapfrog your Sooners).  
  • 10-0-1 (M tie cost a NC)
  • 10-2 (lost to MSU and USC, RB loss didn't cost an NC because #1 OU was undefeated).  
  • 11-1 (RB loss cost an NC)


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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2020, 05:24:57 PM »
Back "in the day", SEC champions went to any which bowl they could snag.  The Sugar Bowl linkage started in 1976.  And the SEC often had co-champions back in the day due to playing only 6 conference games.

AS recently as 1989, they had three cochampions, Auburn, Alabama, and Tenn.




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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2020, 07:18:11 PM »
looks like indiana and nw, per the list in op.
Aw yes, and Wake Forest. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2020, 07:30:42 PM »
Another example of the SEC champ going to the Orange Bowl.  In 1971, the next year, Nebraska was the Big 8 champ and OU the runner-up.  Alabama was the SEC champ and Auburn was the runner-up.  In both cases, the runners-up had lost only to the champions.

Nebraska beat Alabama in the Orange Bowl de facto NCG, while OU beat Auburn in the Sugar Bowl.
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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2020, 10:13:37 PM »
That's just when I was starting to pay attention to college football.  I didn't remember tOSU's 3-year stretch had been quite that good.  That's a hell of a run to only emerge with one national championship.
Even better than, and also reminiscent of, OU's stretch from '85 through '87.  33-3, with all three losses to Miami, including a #1 vs. #2 matchup in the '87 (season) Orange Bowl.  One natty--1985 with a win over Penn State in the Orange Bowl.
That stretch was when I was really starting to get into college football and can still remember it. I sort of adopted OU as my favorite team outside of WVU.

I hated Penn St and remember watching that Orange Bowl cheering hard for Oklahoma until my mom made me go to bed. But I stayed up late enough to see Holieway hit Keith Jackson on the long TD pass. I was happy as hell when my dad snuck in my room and told me OU beat them .


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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2020, 03:39:34 AM »
Back "in the day", SEC champions went to any which bowl they could snag.  The Sugar Bowl linkage started in 1976.  And the SEC often had co-champions back in the day due to playing only 6 conference games.

AS recently as 1989, they had three cochampions, Auburn, Alabama, and Tenn.
So everyone got a trophy?
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« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2020, 10:42:29 AM »
So everyone got a trophy?
No, that's the southwest in 1994.

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Re: Average Wins Per Season
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2020, 12:04:29 PM »
When I was in school, I think P5 teams didn't schedule many pastries because of attendance.  TV revenue was not major, you needed gate.  It was rare to be on TV aside from ND et al.

If you schedule Directional U for a beat down, hardly anyone showed up.  I recall going to a few games and you could sit anywhere in the upper deck, there was plenty of room.  In 1972, the Dawgs hosted:

Baylor 53 K attendance
NCSU  58 K
Alabama 60 K (capacity)
Vandy  58 K
Tennessee 60 K
Tech  60 K

No pastries at all, 11 game slate.  So, going to 12 games meant a pastry and by then attendance allowed them to add 1 or 2 more each year.  Tail gating evolved from literal tail gating to save a buck to an "event".  Folks would have their tent set up by some outside firm and stocked when they showed up with food and booze and would have tickets but might not go to the game if it was a pastry.






 

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