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Topic: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?

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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2023, 12:21:05 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 08, 2023, 05:38:40 PM
yes, they are....The Champions Up North.

Going to start calling tOSU....The Losers Down South


:)
Heh. I've advocated instead of South to use Below. Since Below can have multiple meanings. All my M*ch*g*n Friends just look at me and dumbly say "Ohio"  

Those Losers Down Below (TLDB)
That Team Down Below (TTDB) 
both seem like better rival names than simply saying half the name. 
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2023, 12:52:50 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 09, 2023, 12:14:49 PM
So, we may reach soon a day when say Ohio State plays six teams with effectively zero chance of competing.  I'm not talking about 35-13 kinds of scores, but more 65-7, routinely.  Then three teams with an outside chance on a good day, and three actually competitive teams?
Isn't that pretty much the current schedule for most helmets?

A couple OOC pastries, a couple in-conference pastries, a few bowl-eligible teams and then 2-3 big boys combined in/out of conference. 
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2023, 03:55:20 PM »
Yes, I'm saying it looks to be getting worse, where the pastries just get blown out instead of losing 38-10 or so, and the middle guys get beat consistently 38-10, like South Carolina or Minnesota.  We could reach the point that playing any of them is moot.

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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2023, 05:38:16 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 09, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
this is exactly what's happening.

Michigan has been able to pluck kids from Stanford, Virginia, Coastal Carolina, UMass in the portal to plug holes the last couple seasons and used NIL to keep guys an extra year like Blake Corum, Zak Zinter, Trevor Keegan, and a few others that are surefire NFL draft picks and would've had no choice but to leave early for the draft pre-NIL.
So basically, the "have" programs are WWII Army.  Those 44-45-46 Army teams with Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside got to hand-pick any and all good players who joined in the war (as athletic 20 years olds, a great very many).  Thus, Army went a combined 27-0-1 those 3 seasons.
Their avg score in 1944 was 56-4.  In 1945, it was 46-5.  Bludgeonings.  
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Only now, there's like 10-14 Armies.  Everyone else is a "have-not" to the 5th power.
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2023, 05:51:11 PM »
might not be ten

Bama
Georgia
tOSU
Michigan
Texas
ND

maybe on a good season
PSU
LSU
USC
OU?
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2023, 07:51:42 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 09, 2023, 05:51:11 PM
might not be ten

Bama
Georgia
tOSU
Michigan
Texas
ND

maybe on a good season
PSU
LSU
USC
OU?
Florida and Miami are on the list.  So, too are Oregon, Clemson, etc.
If you made your list 2 years ago, Texas wouldn't be on it.  Just because a program hasn't hit it big in the portal/NIL 2-year era doesn't mean it won't.  

Georgia hadn't done anything until 2021.  ND has 2 undefeated regular seasons that ended in curb-stompings in the last 35+ years.  Penn State's last season with fewer than 2 losses was....2005?  

Hell, 2 years ago, FSU was an utter dumpster fire.  

The point is, PROGRAMS are either haves or have-nots, not individual seasons or even recruiting classes.  
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2023, 08:38:14 PM »
I'm just saying, going forward

Florida and Miami, Oregon, Clemson, Penn State, FSU will be out

10 win seasons won't mean squat.
Only 2 conference championships are worthwhile

the top 5 or 6 programs will just use the portal and NIL to pull away
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2023, 08:42:22 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2023, 07:51:42 PM
Florida and Miami are on the list.  So, too are Oregon, Clemson, etc.
If you made your list 2 years ago, Texas wouldn't be on it.  Just because a program hasn't hit it big in the portal/NIL 2-year era doesn't mean it won't. 

Georgia hadn't done anything until 2021.  ND has 2 undefeated regular seasons that ended in curb-stompings in the last 35+ years.  Penn State's last season with fewer than 2 losses was....2005? 

Hell, 2 years ago, FSU was an utter dumpster fire. 

The point is, PROGRAMS are either haves or have-nots, not individual seasons or even recruiting classes. 
this. Michigan being great again is fairly new.

They were a dumpster fire for basically an entire decade before Jeem showed up, and he didn't get them to a playoff until year 6 I think.

it will go in cycles for these helmets, and only a handful of them will be able to rise and fall and rise again, and then everyone else will pretty much suck eternally.
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2024, 09:34:01 PM »
Missouri athletics announced Monday that it received a historic $62 million gift commitment, more than double the previous record donation set in 2012. The donor wished to remain anonymous and designated $50 million for improvements to the football stadium and $12 million will go toward Mizzou's Tiger Fund, the university’s NIL initiative.

"This extraordinary commitment is a major step toward fulfilling our vision to transform Memorial Stadium and create the best college football game-day atmosphere in the country," athletic director Desireé Reed-Francois said in a statement. "Our pivotal stadium project is not possible without our donor, whose passion for Mizzou's success, coupled with humility, faith and generosity, are unparalleled. Mizzou Football fans displayed their passion last season with five consecutive home sellouts, and our donor's momentous contribution will not only enhance those magical experiences at Memorial Stadium but will greatly impact our student-athletes across every sport as they pursue their dreams as Tigers.”
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2024, 09:37:50 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 06, 2024, 09:34:01 PM
Missouri athletics announced Monday that it received a historic $62 million gift commitment, more than double the previous record donation set in 2012. The donor wished to remain anonymous and designated $50 million for improvements to the football stadium and $12 million will go toward Mizzou's Tiger Fund, the university’s NIL initiative.

"This extraordinary commitment is a major step toward fulfilling our vision to transform Memorial Stadium and create the best college football game-day atmosphere in the country," athletic director Desireé Reed-Francois said in a statement. "Our pivotal stadium project is not possible without our donor, whose passion for Mizzou's success, coupled with humility, faith and generosity, are unparalleled. Mizzou Football fans displayed their passion last season with five consecutive home sellouts, and our donor's momentous contribution will not only enhance those magical experiences at Memorial Stadium but will greatly impact our student-athletes across every sport as they pursue their dreams as Tigers.”
Wasn’t a Walton heir an alumnus?  Be fun to speculate which rich alum it was. 
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2024, 06:54:37 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on February 06, 2024, 09:37:50 PM
Wasn’t a Walton heir an alumnus?  Be fun to speculate which rich alum it was.
There can't be that many to choose from.
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2024, 06:56:58 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 09, 2023, 08:38:14 PM
I'm just saying, going forward

Florida and Miami, Oregon, Clemson, Penn State, FSU will be out

10 win seasons won't mean squat.
Only 2 conference championships are worthwhile

the top 5 or 6 programs will just use the portal and NIL to pull away
You're betting on all 3 FL programs being out?  

mmmmmkay
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2024, 08:27:50 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 08, 2023, 02:48:20 PM
Not only was there no big "Upset Saturday" where a bunch of top teams lost unexpectedly but there were hardly any surprise upsets of any of the top teams all year long. 

Looking at past Ohio State seasons and only counting those where the Buckeyes were good enough to be one of those "top teams":
  • 2023:  11-1, no WTF losses.
  • 2022:  11-2, no WTF losses. 
  • 2021:  11-2, no WTF losses. 
  • 2020:  7-1, no WTF losses. 
  • 2019:  13-1, no WTF losses. 
  • 2018:  13-1, lost by 29 to a Purdue team that finished below .500. 
  • 2017:  12-2, lost by 31 to an Iowa team that finished 8-5. 
  • 2016:  11-2, no WTF losses. 
  • 2015:  12-1, no WTF losses (I'm basing this on MSU's 12-2 final record). 
  • 2014:  14-1, lost by two scores at home to a VaTech team that finished 7-6. 
That is 10 very good seasons and Ohio State had three "WTF" losses in those.  By that math the current top-10 should have around three "WTF" losses and they have none.  In fact the top-15 only really has one (Zona to MsSt).  So I'll go on:
  • 2013:  12-2, no WTF losses. 
  • 2012:  12-0, no WTF losses. 
  • 2011:  not a top team. 
  • 2010:  12-1, no WTF losses. 
  • 2009:  11-2, lost to a Purdue team that finished below .500. 
  • 2008:  10-3, no WTF losses. 
  • 2007:  11-2, lost to an Illinois team that finished 9-4.  This one is kinda borderline. 
  • 2006:  12-1, no WTF losses. 
  • 2005:  10-2, no WTF losses. 
  • 2004, not a top team. 
  • 2003:  11-2, lost to a Wisconsin team that finished 7-6. 
  • 2002:  14-0, no WTF losses. 
  • 1998:  11-1, lost to an MSU team that finished 6-6. 
  • 1985:  9-3, Two of the losses were to IL and UW teams that finished about .500. 
  • 1984:  9-3, Two of the losses were to PU and UW teams that finished about .500. 
  • 1982:  9-3, Two of the losses were to Stanford and UW teams that finished about .500. 
  • 1981:  9-3, Two of the losses were to UW and MN teams that finished about .500. 
  • 1976:  9-2-1, lost to a Mizzou team that finished 6-5. 
  • 1974:  10-2, lost to an MSU team that finished 7-3-1. 
  • 1972:  9-2, lost to an MSU team that finished .500. 

It seems to me that the "WTF Loss" has been a pretty standard occurrence nationally.  It seems like most years we have found ourselves talking about "Team X" that had a very good record and looked great most of the year but had a "bad loss" to a .500ish or below team.  Maybe this year will prove to be an outlier or maybe this is a product of the Portal enabling the top teams to backfill their positions of weakness. 



Day is just good at avoiding the WTF losses. 
Before Mizzou, his worst loss was probably Oregon. 
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Re: Are the rich already getting richer or is this just a freak thing?
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2024, 07:40:18 AM »
Mizzou had a hard nosed motivated team least season.  Losing to them in a bowl game isn't that bad.  I wouldn't think OSU was highly motivated in that one.

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